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But the long term success for cheating is actually much lower, those who actually learned things will do better in the long term even if they have a lower proba

But the long term success for cheating is actually much lower, those who actually learned things will do better in the long term even if they have a lower probability of short term success Many humans seem to be incredibly short sighted

codebreake 3y ago
I disagree, I don’t believe Trump and Elon musk are ethical and they are very successful in terms of power and money.
- inglor_cz 3y ago
  That said, Falcon 9 actually flies and is a very reliable rocket; SpaceX does not seem to be "cheating" in the classical sense of the word, but making money due to genuine innovative capability.
- kevviiinn 3y ago
  The success of those two are bad for the country long term, the idea that being super rich is success is also bad
mattgreenrocks 3y ago
> the long term success for cheating is actually much lower, those who actually learned things will do better in the long term even if they have a lower probability of short term success I want to believe this, but I'm not sure it's always true. Timing of opportunities matters a lot. Someone who is not as skilled in programming probably cheated their way into a FAANG job during the height of the pandemic and made absolute bank, perhaps being able to sock away $200k-$300k since then. That money could then be invested and start compounding, leading to a materially different outcome from someone else who played it by the rules and was better. The long-term for the cheater might be to simply find a less demanding job and continue riding the prestige hike they got when they snuck into the FAANG job.
throw9away6 3y ago
The cheaters learn to cheat better that can be a better or equivalent level skill. Human lifetime are sort and human opportunity windows are even shorter. Not cheating put you at the mercy of variance as many now dead great people died in poverty
- kevviiinn 3y ago
  How about working to fix the system and make it more equitable rather than cheating or excusing cheating

codebreake 3y ago

I disagree, I don’t believe Trump and Elon musk are ethical and they are very successful in terms of power and money.

inglor_cz 3y ago
That said, Falcon 9 actually flies and is a very reliable rocket; SpaceX does not seem to be "cheating" in the classical sense of the word, but making money due to genuine innovative capability.
kevviiinn 3y ago
The success of those two are bad for the country long term, the idea that being super rich is success is also bad

mattgreenrocks 3y ago

> the long term success for cheating is actually much lower, those who actually learned things will do better in the long term even if they have a lower probability of short term success I want to believe this, but I'm not sure it's always true. Timing of opportunities matters a lot. Someone who is not as skilled in programming probably cheated their way into a FAANG job during the height of the pandemic and made absolute bank, perhaps being able to sock away $200k-$300k since then. That money could then be invested and start compounding, leading to a materially different outcome from someone else who played it by the rules and was better. The long-term for the cheater might be to simply find a less demanding job and continue riding the prestige hike they got when they snuck into the FAANG job.

throw9away6 3y ago

The cheaters learn to cheat better that can be a better or equivalent level skill. Human lifetime are sort and human opportunity windows are even shorter. Not cheating put you at the mercy of variance as many now dead great people died in poverty

kevviiinn 3y ago
How about working to fix the system and make it more equitable rather than cheating or excusing cheating