>But I don't think you should consider humans as separate from nature I do consider humans to be part of nature. My point is that the dysfunctional processes w

>But I don't think you should consider humans as separate from nature I do consider humans to be part of nature. My point is that the dysfunctional processes we set up distance us from nature, try to attack nature — we kill bees with pesticides, then talk about inventing robot bees to replace them. It's insane. Permaculture is based on an explicit assertion that we must pay attention to existing ecosystem features and work within them rather than against them.