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>the waste you're diverting won't be enough to sustain you if everyone is trying to get it, and ideally there wouldn't be any waste to begin with There's alway

>the waste you're diverting won't be enough to sustain you if everyone is trying to get it, and ideally there wouldn't be any waste to begin with There's always going to be food waste in the sense that we cannot eat every part of every vegetable. And, again, there are many other ways to generate things like compost and fertilizer without using waste — cover crops, aquaponics, etc. >avoiding taxes I "avoid" taxes by keeping old electronics alive, repairing things I find, and helping friends do the same. Is that wrong, by your ethical framework? This fascination with taxes is utterly bizarre. >It's not about contributing to an economy, it's about contributing your fair share for the public good. Large parts of the economy don't operate for the public good. Giving money to Monsanto, for example, is actively detrimental for the public good.

zeroCalories 3y ago
> There's always going to be food waste in the sense that we cannot eat every part of every vegetable. And, again, there are many other ways to generate things like compost and fertilizer without using waste — cover crops, aquaponics, etc. But you can't escape entropy in a closed loop system, and anything you can do a large scale food factory can do better. > I "avoid" taxes by keeping old electronics alive, repairing things I find, and helping friends do the same. Is that wrong, by your ethical framework? This fascination with taxes is utterly bizarre. No, I'm not advocating for waste to help the economy. That's a classic fallacy in economics, and I don't feel the need to expand further. I just want your work taxed. > Large parts of the economy don't operate for the public good. Giving money to Monsanto, for example, is actively detrimental for the public good. You're missing the point again. I don't care if you buy a new iphone or not. If you're working, and especially if you're producing a lot of value, I want you taxed. We could have the tax man come take 30% of your yield and distribute it to the poor, for example.
- CapstanRoller 3y ago
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  - zeroCalories 3y ago
    > It can do it "better" by creating huge amounts of damage to the biosphere and the people consuming the food. Generating large amounts of unhealthy garbage is not a desirable goal. You're the one whose mind is trapped in a prison. > By your logic, we should direct all food production resources toward industrial Soylent factories and nothing else. You keep making these huge leaps of logic. I'm saying that given two ways to achieve the same thing, I want the cheaper, and more environmentally friendly way to do it, which is large scale production. > How do you tax community service, or a neighborhood food forest? That sounds completely nuts and dystopian. If your labour is a donation to the public it wouldn't need to be taxed. But the reason we focus on payroll taxes is because it's the majority of work and it's easy to track. If everyone lived outside the system we would need to find a new way to tax people. > So... an IRS truck comes by to collect zucchini and tomatoes? lmao If no one is working a w2 job, then yeah. > Maybe you ought to consider that we could abandon capitalism and structure society to eliminate poverty altogether instead of faffing about with taxes? It seems you're more concerned with spreadsheets than actually improving the lives of humans. You're in this system now. I have about as much sympathy for you as I do a libertarian that commits tax evasion because he believes taxes are theft.
    - CapstanRoller 3y ago
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      - zeroCalories 3y ago
        > Industrial farming isn't environmentally friendly. It's only cheaper because the environmental damage is considered an externality. Then we regulate it. And anything you can do a large scale operation can do better :) > If everyone became a communist, you'd be desperately figuring out how to revert it? Absolutely bizarre. Why are you so obsessed with taxes? There are other, much better, ways to distribute wealth. > Is this a joke? You really expect IRS agents to seize produce from community vegetable gardens (given away freely already), and believe this is a productive use of time and resources? > Where would these vegetables go, anyway? And for what purpose? In the USSR they would take everything and redistribute it as needed. The point is that we need a way to collectively pay for things that does not depend on good will. Our IRS agents are going to take your food and distribute it to high skill workers and students that need to focus on their speciality. > hahahah are you for real dude? non-profit community food programs are tax evasion? If it's all a community garden, hope you won't mind the IRS coming to take 30%~100%.

zeroCalories 3y ago

> There's always going to be food waste in the sense that we cannot eat every part of every vegetable. And, again, there are many other ways to generate things like compost and fertilizer without using waste — cover crops, aquaponics, etc. But you can't escape entropy in a closed loop system, and anything you can do a large scale food factory can do better. > I "avoid" taxes by keeping old electronics alive, repairing things I find, and helping friends do the same. Is that wrong, by your ethical framework? This fascination with taxes is utterly bizarre. No, I'm not advocating for waste to help the economy. That's a classic fallacy in economics, and I don't feel the need to expand further. I just want your work taxed. > Large parts of the economy don't operate for the public good. Giving money to Monsanto, for example, is actively detrimental for the public good. You're missing the point again. I don't care if you buy a new iphone or not. If you're working, and especially if you're producing a lot of value, I want you taxed. We could have the tax man come take 30% of your yield and distribute it to the poor, for example.

CapstanRoller 3y ago
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- zeroCalories 3y ago
  > It can do it "better" by creating huge amounts of damage to the biosphere and the people consuming the food. Generating large amounts of unhealthy garbage is not a desirable goal. You're the one whose mind is trapped in a prison. > By your logic, we should direct all food production resources toward industrial Soylent factories and nothing else. You keep making these huge leaps of logic. I'm saying that given two ways to achieve the same thing, I want the cheaper, and more environmentally friendly way to do it, which is large scale production. > How do you tax community service, or a neighborhood food forest? That sounds completely nuts and dystopian. If your labour is a donation to the public it wouldn't need to be taxed. But the reason we focus on payroll taxes is because it's the majority of work and it's easy to track. If everyone lived outside the system we would need to find a new way to tax people. > So... an IRS truck comes by to collect zucchini and tomatoes? lmao If no one is working a w2 job, then yeah. > Maybe you ought to consider that we could abandon capitalism and structure society to eliminate poverty altogether instead of faffing about with taxes? It seems you're more concerned with spreadsheets than actually improving the lives of humans. You're in this system now. I have about as much sympathy for you as I do a libertarian that commits tax evasion because he believes taxes are theft.
  - CapstanRoller 3y ago
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    - zeroCalories 3y ago
      > Industrial farming isn't environmentally friendly. It's only cheaper because the environmental damage is considered an externality. Then we regulate it. And anything you can do a large scale operation can do better :) > If everyone became a communist, you'd be desperately figuring out how to revert it? Absolutely bizarre. Why are you so obsessed with taxes? There are other, much better, ways to distribute wealth. > Is this a joke? You really expect IRS agents to seize produce from community vegetable gardens (given away freely already), and believe this is a productive use of time and resources? > Where would these vegetables go, anyway? And for what purpose? In the USSR they would take everything and redistribute it as needed. The point is that we need a way to collectively pay for things that does not depend on good will. Our IRS agents are going to take your food and distribute it to high skill workers and students that need to focus on their speciality. > hahahah are you for real dude? non-profit community food programs are tax evasion? If it's all a community garden, hope you won't mind the IRS coming to take 30%~100%.