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That's a weird flavor of kook-aid you're drinking there.

by shagymoe 3y ago

thomastjeffery 3y ago
You mean the tap water? I didn't create our advocate for this situation: I'm just living in it.
- jjoonathan 3y ago
  If so, you need to get your tap water checked. Something is leaching in. You need one of those little testing kits that turns red when it detects conservative talking points. In any case, the Democrats have a few large, obvious subgroups: the Justice Dems, the Economic Left, and "MSNBC Liberals." Let's call them the AOC, Bernie, and Biden factions. Sure, they bicker between elections and fight during primaries but they inevitably unite for the general election. Just as with any FPTP coalition. The Republicans have big divisions too. Trump and DeSantis have very different visions for the party. Remember the chants of "Hang Mike Pence!" on Jan 6? That wasn't unity. Neither was Tucker Carlson getting fired. Next primary season should be entertaining, but I've seen this movie too many times to put much stock in left-wing pundits' prediction that the Republican party will actually fall apart. Our talking heads do it too, see? No, Republicans will unite for the general. Just as with any FPTP coalition.
  - thomastjeffery 3y ago
    > In any case, the Democrats have a few large, obvious subgroups The elected Democrats, yes. What about Democrat voters? > The Republicans have big divisions too. Trump and DeSantis have very different visions for the party. Absolutely, but that doesn't stop the average Republican/conservative voter from supporting either candidate at the end of the day. > I've seen this movie too many times to put much stock in left-wing pundits' prediction that the Republican party will actually fall apart. I was literally just advocating the opposite prediction. I get that you want to read between the lines of my comment, but I am not the one writing there.
    - jjoonathan 3y ago
      Democratic voters come together on election day too -- otherwise our coalition wouldn't have beaten your coalition in 2018 and 2020. It must be awkward to lose to a coalition that you don't believe exists, lol. Pundits always say "THE (OPPOSITE PARTY) ARE FALLING APART!!!!" because everyone wants to believe it. Your pundits say it and our pundits say it. There's an important meta-lesson to extract from this: if you lob this meme across party lines, it will land like a whoopie-cushion because your opponent is guaranteed to be even more familiar with its inverse.
      - thomastjeffery 3y ago
        So why are you lobbing it at me? Democrat voters voted for the winner of their tent. It took coordination and convincing: most of which happened after Bernie dropped out of the race. My entire point is that we are all stuck in a two-party system; and politically that is advantageous to conservatives and moderates, and disadvantageous to progressives.

That's a weird flavor of kook-aid you're drinking there.

thomastjeffery 3y ago

You mean the tap water? I didn't create our advocate for this situation: I'm just living in it.

jjoonathan 3y ago
If so, you need to get your tap water checked. Something is leaching in. You need one of those little testing kits that turns red when it detects conservative talking points. In any case, the Democrats have a few large, obvious subgroups: the Justice Dems, the Economic Left, and "MSNBC Liberals." Let's call them the AOC, Bernie, and Biden factions. Sure, they bicker between elections and fight during primaries but they inevitably unite for the general election. Just as with any FPTP coalition. The Republicans have big divisions too. Trump and DeSantis have very different visions for the party. Remember the chants of "Hang Mike Pence!" on Jan 6? That wasn't unity. Neither was Tucker Carlson getting fired. Next primary season should be entertaining, but I've seen this movie too many times to put much stock in left-wing pundits' prediction that the Republican party will actually fall apart. Our talking heads do it too, see? No, Republicans will unite for the general. Just as with any FPTP coalition.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  > In any case, the Democrats have a few large, obvious subgroups The elected Democrats, yes. What about Democrat voters? > The Republicans have big divisions too. Trump and DeSantis have very different visions for the party. Absolutely, but that doesn't stop the average Republican/conservative voter from supporting either candidate at the end of the day. > I've seen this movie too many times to put much stock in left-wing pundits' prediction that the Republican party will actually fall apart. I was literally just advocating the opposite prediction. I get that you want to read between the lines of my comment, but I am not the one writing there.
  - jjoonathan 3y ago
    Democratic voters come together on election day too -- otherwise our coalition wouldn't have beaten your coalition in 2018 and 2020. It must be awkward to lose to a coalition that you don't believe exists, lol. Pundits always say "THE (OPPOSITE PARTY) ARE FALLING APART!!!!" because everyone wants to believe it. Your pundits say it and our pundits say it. There's an important meta-lesson to extract from this: if you lob this meme across party lines, it will land like a whoopie-cushion because your opponent is guaranteed to be even more familiar with its inverse.
    - thomastjeffery 3y ago
      So why are you lobbing it at me? Democrat voters voted for the winner of their tent. It took coordination and convincing: most of which happened after Bernie dropped out of the race. My entire point is that we are all stuck in a two-party system; and politically that is advantageous to conservatives and moderates, and disadvantageous to progressives.