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Two things can be true at the same time. There is a lot of cheating in america, but nowhere near as much as in low-trust countries. fwiw - I think Americans va

by trgn 3y ago

Two things can be true at the same time. There is a lot of cheating in america, but nowhere near as much as in low-trust countries. fwiw - I think Americans value integrity a lot more than most other places, and academic cheating is not nearly as common.

nosianu 3y ago
> Two things can be true at the same time. Of course, but the commenter I replied to made a specific statement, first sentence, making it sound to my reading - and I don't think I'm reading something into it that isn't meant to be there? - as if it's a lot less in the US. But even a little bit of searching, and every single time the topic comes up here, which usually is for higher education so I'm not making any statement about anything below, ends up with a lot of comments, and no opposition to them, saying there is a lot of cheating there. Examples: https://academicintegrity.org/resources/facts-and-statistics https://academicintegrity.org/resources/facts-and-statistics > McCabe’s original research and subsequent follow-up studies show that more than 60 percent of university students freely admit to cheating in some form. https://proctoredu.com/blog/tpost/5dk67zrns1-academic-dishonesty-statistics https://proctoredu.com/blog/tpost/5dk67zrns1-academic-dishon... > The level of cheating in high school according to statistics is extremely high. One of the most thorough studies, carried out by Dr. Donald McCabe, reveals that about 95% of polled students (both undergraduates and graduates) admitted to having cheated in some form. https://www.npr.org/2021/08/27/1031255390/reports-of-cheating-at-colleges-soar-during-the-pandemic https://www.npr.org/2021/08/27/1031255390/reports-of-cheatin... Therefore, it surprised my that the original commenter made such a strong statement.
- trgn 3y ago
  thx for clarification and added links, will read up.

by trgn 3y ago

nosianu 3y ago

> Two things can be true at the same time. Of course, but the commenter I replied to made a specific statement, first sentence, making it sound to my reading - and I don't think I'm reading something into it that isn't meant to be there? - as if it's a lot less in the US. But even a little bit of searching, and every single time the topic comes up here, which usually is for higher education so I'm not making any statement about anything below, ends up with a lot of comments, and no opposition to them, saying there is a lot of cheating there. Examples: https://academicintegrity.org/resources/facts-and-statistics https://academicintegrity.org/resources/facts-and-statistics > McCabe’s original research and subsequent follow-up studies show that more than 60 percent of university students freely admit to cheating in some form. https://proctoredu.com/blog/tpost/5dk67zrns1-academic-dishonesty-statistics https://proctoredu.com/blog/tpost/5dk67zrns1-academic-dishon... > The level of cheating in high school according to statistics is extremely high. One of the most thorough studies, carried out by Dr. Donald McCabe, reveals that about 95% of polled students (both undergraduates and graduates) admitted to having cheated in some form. https://www.npr.org/2021/08/27/1031255390/reports-of-cheating-at-colleges-soar-during-the-pandemic https://www.npr.org/2021/08/27/1031255390/reports-of-cheatin... Therefore, it surprised my that the original commenter made such a strong statement.

trgn 3y ago
thx for clarification and added links, will read up.