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Nobody claimed that americans never cheated, yet the blame of things getting worse is put on GP on those coming from “low trust” societies. It’s a xenophobic l

Nobody claimed that americans never cheated, yet the blame of things getting worse is put on GP on those coming from “low trust” societies. It’s a xenophobic lie, like if Americans don’t celebrate lying on positive euphemisms like “fake it till you make it” or “being a good salesman”

kbenson 3y ago
It may be xenophobic, but whether it's a lie is separate from that and it may or may not be. Unpalatable assertions can still be true. For what it's worth, "fake it till you make it" is far from being universally seen as positive, and (car) salesmen are seen as one of the most untrustworthy and least liked professions (just above telemarketers and members of congress). [1] 1: https://thehill.com/business/3812900-here-are-the-most-and-least-trusted-professions-in-the-us/ https://thehill.com/business/3812900-here-are-the-most-and-l...
mydogcanpurr 3y ago
Do you have an alternative explanation? Or is your stance that it just couldn't possibly be immigrants?
- licebmi__at__ 3y ago
  Maybe academic cheating is related to people pursuing a degree more like a passport to riches than a vocational pursuit. I mean, the whole reason why people also lie in other areas. Which also explains why people of “low trust” societies might lie more rather than “it’s in the culture of those dirty foreigners”.
JohnFen 3y ago
> if Americans don’t celebrate lying on positive euphemisms like “fake it till you make it” or “being a good salesman” Most Americans that I know don't consider those phrases to reflect positive values at all. They're used disparagingly against people who really think like that.
- kelipso 3y ago
  Either you live in some bubble or you're just lying lol.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    Well, we all live in bubbles, don't we? That's why it's interesting to have a glimpse into other people's bubbles, and be reminded that our own experiences are often not representative of the whole.
    - kelipso 3y ago
      Ya true, just some bubbles are smaller than others.
Floegipoky 3y ago
Fwiw I've usually seen "fake it till you make it" in 2 contexts: 1. Disciplines in which skill development requires overreaching beyond one's current skill level eg musical improvisation 2. In reference to confidence eg many software developers experience imposter syndrome and have to pretend to be more confident than they actually are in order to be taken seriously, even if they are the most skilled in the room
TeeMassive 3y ago
Similar experiences have been reported by people who came from these places

kbenson 3y ago

It may be xenophobic, but whether it's a lie is separate from that and it may or may not be. Unpalatable assertions can still be true. For what it's worth, "fake it till you make it" is far from being universally seen as positive, and (car) salesmen are seen as one of the most untrustworthy and least liked professions (just above telemarketers and members of congress). [1] 1: https://thehill.com/business/3812900-here-are-the-most-and-least-trusted-professions-in-the-us/ https://thehill.com/business/3812900-here-are-the-most-and-l...

mydogcanpurr 3y ago

Do you have an alternative explanation? Or is your stance that it just couldn't possibly be immigrants?

licebmi__at__ 3y ago
Maybe academic cheating is related to people pursuing a degree more like a passport to riches than a vocational pursuit. I mean, the whole reason why people also lie in other areas. Which also explains why people of “low trust” societies might lie more rather than “it’s in the culture of those dirty foreigners”.

JohnFen 3y ago

> if Americans don’t celebrate lying on positive euphemisms like “fake it till you make it” or “being a good salesman” Most Americans that I know don't consider those phrases to reflect positive values at all. They're used disparagingly against people who really think like that.

kelipso 3y ago
Either you live in some bubble or you're just lying lol.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Well, we all live in bubbles, don't we? That's why it's interesting to have a glimpse into other people's bubbles, and be reminded that our own experiences are often not representative of the whole.
  - kelipso 3y ago
    Ya true, just some bubbles are smaller than others.

Floegipoky 3y ago

Fwiw I've usually seen "fake it till you make it" in 2 contexts: 1. Disciplines in which skill development requires overreaching beyond one's current skill level eg musical improvisation 2. In reference to confidence eg many software developers experience imposter syndrome and have to pretend to be more confident than they actually are in order to be taken seriously, even if they are the most skilled in the room

TeeMassive 3y ago

Similar experiences have been reported by people who came from these places