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>"The state owns all the things under Communism." The state owns nothing under Communism as Communism assumes no state, social classes, private property and mo
by FpUser 3y ago
>"The state owns all the things under Communism."
The state owns nothing under Communism as Communism assumes no state, social classes, private property and money. I do not think Communism can be achieved though, maybe in prehistoric society of docile gatherers of which we are not.
- mordae 3y agoPerhaps eventually, after we learn to live better. But that's no reason to give up and make greed mandatory.
- FpUser 3y agoPeople are greedy to a various degree by nature. Same for violence and desire to control other people. This is in our genes. I have no idea how you could suppress it without The State (comprised of control freaks willing to use violence) being on top
- rambojohnson 3y agoare you a geneticist? got an sources to back up that claim, that we are all inherently selfish? take a critical look at the society you were raised in.
- FpUser 3y agoI am not and I do not have to be. One can see it plain all around. I am very critical of the society but it does not change a fucking thing.
- alphanullmeric 3y agoThe group exercising their monopoly on force to implement the laws of communism is the state, unless you plan on making participation voluntary. Calling it “the people” makes absolutely no difference.
- FpUser 3y agoI am not calling it anything. This is how Communism is defined. It never happened and what we have instead is anything but. Under original doctrine there is no State because "the people" will have evolved enough to do without it.
- alphanullmeric 3y agoCapitalism is a stateless society where individuals are free to associate how they wish. Any problems with this definition?
- dragonwriter 3y ago> Capitalism is a stateless society where individuals are free to associate how they wish. Any problems with this definition? Well, yes, since “capitalism” was literally coined to describe a particular then-existing system in which the instrumentality of the state not only exists but also, most particularly through a specific structure of property rights, directly serves the interests of the capital-owning class to the relative disadvantage of other segments of society, and has consistently since then referred to that system (or ones sharing some of its salient features) both for those who have advocated moving farther from it and for those advocating its adoption or a return to it in places which have moved on, in whole or in part, from it.
- alphanullmeric 3y agoI'm glad we agree that defining a state to be stateless does not make it stateless. So back to what I was saying, when "the people" come together to enforce laws onto others, they form a state.
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago> Capitalism is a stateless society... . Any problems with this definition? Other than it's gibberish? Capitalism, a system where money is used to purchase property by individuals, is a society ... without issued currency or individual property rights, you say? Look around you, are capitalist countries stateless, and are stateless countries Capitalistic?
- whitemary 3y agoCommunism and private property are not at odds. Communism and private capital are.