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In the real world, owners simply don't care about your enlightening idea. Why would they? And what are you gonna do about it when they don't?

latency-guy2 3y ago
Make my own. Just a reminder for you lefties but people are capable of creating things, many times it really doesn't take that much to do so, nor does getting rich in the process. Besides, why should anyone trust a leftist in power? We already know your lot will immediately outlaw and jail the opposition and pretend their uni-party system is "democratic". So I don't think you actually care about owners and power, you're just mad that you aren't in power perpetually.
bheadmaster 3y ago
I don't quite understand the context of this post. I was talking about metrics such as uptime percentage, not enlightening ideas. Can you explain what do you mean?
- whitemary 3y ago
  That is fair, sorry. I'm just saying the boss is in charge at the end of the day. Regardless of any observations or knowledge contradictory to their practices, they ultimately retain all the power. Productivity (of something...) is ostensibly the intent of a capitalist venture, but the owner and ultimately prioritize anything they prefer. This is a problem for any hope of rational practice.
  - bheadmaster 3y ago
    > Productivity (of something...) is ostensibly the intent of a capitalist venture, but the owner and ultimately prioritize anything they prefer. This is a problem for any hope of rational practice. While that is true, the whole argument against metrics as goals is that they decrease productivity, which goes against a common interest of both capitalist and communist societies. Productivity as a goal simply makes sense in the real world, regardless of whether there's an owner who is chasing profit, or a worker collective who has to meet their planned quota for the planned economy. The state of facts is such that binding metrics to rewards is harmful to their overall reliability, regardless of which economic system it's happening in.

latency-guy2 3y ago

Make my own. Just a reminder for you lefties but people are capable of creating things, many times it really doesn't take that much to do so, nor does getting rich in the process. Besides, why should anyone trust a leftist in power? We already know your lot will immediately outlaw and jail the opposition and pretend their uni-party system is "democratic". So I don't think you actually care about owners and power, you're just mad that you aren't in power perpetually.

bheadmaster 3y ago

I don't quite understand the context of this post. I was talking about metrics such as uptime percentage, not enlightening ideas. Can you explain what do you mean?

whitemary 3y ago
That is fair, sorry. I'm just saying the boss is in charge at the end of the day. Regardless of any observations or knowledge contradictory to their practices, they ultimately retain all the power. Productivity (of something...) is ostensibly the intent of a capitalist venture, but the owner and ultimately prioritize anything they prefer. This is a problem for any hope of rational practice.
- bheadmaster 3y ago
  > Productivity (of something...) is ostensibly the intent of a capitalist venture, but the owner and ultimately prioritize anything they prefer. This is a problem for any hope of rational practice. While that is true, the whole argument against metrics as goals is that they decrease productivity, which goes against a common interest of both capitalist and communist societies. Productivity as a goal simply makes sense in the real world, regardless of whether there's an owner who is chasing profit, or a worker collective who has to meet their planned quota for the planned economy. The state of facts is such that binding metrics to rewards is harmful to their overall reliability, regardless of which economic system it's happening in.