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That and their price is why I will never have an apple product too

kaba0 3y ago
They have a very good price-to-value ratio, especially when you account for their high resale value, so that's not really a good reason to avoid apple. It is simply unbeatable on the laptop market currently, imo.
- poulpy123 3y ago
  I was more thinking to the iphone (I don't have laptop). You can't find a cheap new iphone, and even the cheapest iphone is more than I would put in a phone myself. It's true that now high end android phones are as expensive than high end iphones, so on this point of view it's not a criteria
  - windowsrookie 3y ago
    I purchased two brand new iPhone SE's for $100 each around black Friday from Straight Talk. Required one month of prepaid service and then they were unlocked, I used them down in South America. The iPhone SE is better than any comparable Android phone and will receive updates for another 5 years. So "You can't find a cheap new iPhone" is not true. If you're willing to take 1 extra step and get a month of prepaid service you can get a cheap iPhone.
    - poulpy123 3y ago
      There is no iphone for 100$ and 1 month of service where I live
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  We get dazzled by "benchmark number higher" and ignore other factors. The lock-in means I'd need to have a gun to my head to use an Apple product. I can't game on it or use Linux. My laptop and desktop are both ~10 years old- how long are Apple computers supported? These factors don't show up in benchmarks but they are just as important.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    Your laptop and desktop are 10 years old, and that’s it. They are not supported by anyone, they just didn’t die on you yet. Apple actually supports their devices for that long easily, that’s one category they really outshine their competitors in. Also, the macs are not at all locked down if we are talking about that. OSX is pretty much a general linux with a generally supported graphical environment on top.
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    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
      https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213264 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213264 MBP from 2017 is the oldest supported device.
      - kaba0 3y ago
        By the latest OS. By what OS is your desktop supported actively? Also, iphones are supported for almost 10 years.
        2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
        Fedora 38, Windows 10 I'm not asking about phones, we were talking about laptops.
        kaba0 3y ago
        Are they support your exact model? Or they can run them, and may even have a sticker for windows compatibility? That’s very different thing.
        2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
        Yes

They have a very good price-to-value ratio, especially when you account for their high resale value, so that's not really a good reason to avoid apple. It is simply unbeatable on the laptop market currently, imo.

poulpy123 3y ago
I was more thinking to the iphone (I don't have laptop). You can't find a cheap new iphone, and even the cheapest iphone is more than I would put in a phone myself. It's true that now high end android phones are as expensive than high end iphones, so on this point of view it's not a criteria
- windowsrookie 3y ago
  I purchased two brand new iPhone SE's for $100 each around black Friday from Straight Talk. Required one month of prepaid service and then they were unlocked, I used them down in South America. The iPhone SE is better than any comparable Android phone and will receive updates for another 5 years. So "You can't find a cheap new iPhone" is not true. If you're willing to take 1 extra step and get a month of prepaid service you can get a cheap iPhone.
  - poulpy123 3y ago
    There is no iphone for 100$ and 1 month of service where I live
2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
We get dazzled by "benchmark number higher" and ignore other factors. The lock-in means I'd need to have a gun to my head to use an Apple product. I can't game on it or use Linux. My laptop and desktop are both ~10 years old- how long are Apple computers supported? These factors don't show up in benchmarks but they are just as important.
- kaba0 3y ago
  Your laptop and desktop are 10 years old, and that’s it. They are not supported by anyone, they just didn’t die on you yet. Apple actually supports their devices for that long easily, that’s one category they really outshine their competitors in. Also, the macs are not at all locked down if we are talking about that. OSX is pretty much a general linux with a generally supported graphical environment on top.
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  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213264 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213264 MBP from 2017 is the oldest supported device.
    - kaba0 3y ago
      By the latest OS. By what OS is your desktop supported actively? Also, iphones are supported for almost 10 years.
      - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
        Fedora 38, Windows 10 I'm not asking about phones, we were talking about laptops.
        kaba0 3y ago
        Are they support your exact model? Or they can run them, and may even have a sticker for windows compatibility? That’s very different thing.
        2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
        Yes