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Toys or not, they are incredibly powerful devices that are very much locked down for some arbitrary reasons. Any sort of basic interaction outside of their own

by devsda 3y ago

Toys or not, they are incredibly powerful devices that are very much locked down for some arbitrary reasons. Any sort of basic interaction outside of their own ecosystem even through established standards and protocols is made difficult or impossible. Case in point, I wanted to transfer a pic from an Android phone to an IPhone and was surprised to find that ios doesn't allow bluetooth file transfer! It is completely ridiculous to think that you need to involve a third-party app/service or device to transfer small amounts of data between two very expensive communication devices sitting next to each other.

ubermonkey 3y ago
>Any sort of basic interaction outside of their own ecosystem even through established standards and protocols is made difficult or impossible. Weird. I interact with ALL SORTS of other systems via established or even proprietary protocols using my iOS devices. >Case in point, I wanted to transfer a pic from an Android phone to an IPhone and was surprised to find that ios doesn't allow bluetooth file transfer! This is the kind of thing that Android people like to complain about, but the complaint is based in a failure to appreciate that iOS doesn't work like Android. There's only very limited interaction with the file system in iOS. This is by design. Complaining about that is like complaining that the original Mac had no command line. It's missing the point. Sharing photos between phones is most often done via messaging or email. That works beautifully. In neither case is a third party service required. There are additional avenues for photo sharing between two iOS devices, but those are features of the platform. It's not a failure of iOS that they don't work with Android.
- kwhitefoot 3y ago
  > via messaging or email. That works beautifully. In neither case is a third party service required The third party is the mail server and the internet. It's still ridiculous.
  - ubermonkey 3y ago
    LOL. Whatever. This is the kind of thing Android people complain about, but it never comes up for iOS people. Sharing a photo from a computer involves plenty of "third party" actions, too; it's just not a big deal. It's simple and intuitive.
- shayaknyc 3y ago
  >>Case in point, I wanted to transfer a pic from an Android phone to an IPhone and was surprised to find that ios doesn't allow bluetooth file transfer! > >This is the kind of thing that Android people like to complain about, but the complaint is based in a failure to appreciate that iOS doesn't work like Android. I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Airdrop is basically the same thing as Android's Quick Share/Nearby Share, utilizing BT to find and pair devices, and then perform a direct wifi transfer of data. Android<->Android works no problem. iOS/MacOS<->iOS/MacOS no problem. Hell, I can even do this between Android devices and Windows/Linux machines. But Android<-/->iOS/MacOS - FOR NO GOOD REASON other than to keep them separate for capitalist reasons (doesn't matter what excuse you give it, brand differentiation, brand protection, walled-garden security - they're all excuses at the end of the day). >There's only very limited interaction with the file system in iOS. This is by design. In response to that, Apple can very easily extend the functionality over the API-layer to allow the sharing of, AT LEAST, photos and videos between Android and iOS/MacOS devices without having to worry so much about this issue. No need to give direct filesystem access.

by devsda 3y ago

ubermonkey 3y ago

>Any sort of basic interaction outside of their own ecosystem even through established standards and protocols is made difficult or impossible. Weird. I interact with ALL SORTS of other systems via established or even proprietary protocols using my iOS devices. >Case in point, I wanted to transfer a pic from an Android phone to an IPhone and was surprised to find that ios doesn't allow bluetooth file transfer! This is the kind of thing that Android people like to complain about, but the complaint is based in a failure to appreciate that iOS doesn't work like Android. There's only very limited interaction with the file system in iOS. This is by design. Complaining about that is like complaining that the original Mac had no command line. It's missing the point. Sharing photos between phones is most often done via messaging or email. That works beautifully. In neither case is a third party service required. There are additional avenues for photo sharing between two iOS devices, but those are features of the platform. It's not a failure of iOS that they don't work with Android.

kwhitefoot 3y ago
> via messaging or email. That works beautifully. In neither case is a third party service required The third party is the mail server and the internet. It's still ridiculous.
- ubermonkey 3y ago
  LOL. Whatever. This is the kind of thing Android people complain about, but it never comes up for iOS people. Sharing a photo from a computer involves plenty of "third party" actions, too; it's just not a big deal. It's simple and intuitive.
shayaknyc 3y ago
>>Case in point, I wanted to transfer a pic from an Android phone to an IPhone and was surprised to find that ios doesn't allow bluetooth file transfer! > >This is the kind of thing that Android people like to complain about, but the complaint is based in a failure to appreciate that iOS doesn't work like Android. I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Airdrop is basically the same thing as Android's Quick Share/Nearby Share, utilizing BT to find and pair devices, and then perform a direct wifi transfer of data. Android<->Android works no problem. iOS/MacOS<->iOS/MacOS no problem. Hell, I can even do this between Android devices and Windows/Linux machines. But Android<-/->iOS/MacOS - FOR NO GOOD REASON other than to keep them separate for capitalist reasons (doesn't matter what excuse you give it, brand differentiation, brand protection, walled-garden security - they're all excuses at the end of the day). >There's only very limited interaction with the file system in iOS. This is by design. In response to that, Apple can very easily extend the functionality over the API-layer to allow the sharing of, AT LEAST, photos and videos between Android and iOS/MacOS devices without having to worry so much about this issue. No need to give direct filesystem access.