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Modi is corrupt. The guy does not have the interest of the country at heart, he just cares about the Ambanis and increasing the wealth of his political allies.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Modi is corrupt Source? Part of his allure and political inertia comes from being squeaky clean as far as bribes go.
- yipbub 3y ago
  He was complicit in the Gujurat riots ethnic cleansing[0] Demonetization was a scheme to enrich his billionaire friends and party[0]. There's a lot more, and being the PM he hasn't allowed the media to question him. He only appears in staged interviews singing his praises or speeches. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots [1] https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/national/bjp-members-knew-about-demonetisation-beforehand https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/national/bjp-members-kne...
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Gujurat riots ethnic cleansing…Demonetization…only appears in staged interviews singing his praises or speeches None of this is corruption. Authoritarianism. Populism, perhaps. But not fraudulent, not bribery, and not corruption.
    - yipbub 3y ago
      > None of this is corruption Even if that were true(which it's not), that's not a good defense of Modi. "Corruption is a form of dishonesty or a criminal offense which is undertaken by a person or an organization which is entrusted in a position of authority, in order to acquire illicit benefits or abuse power for one's personal gain."
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > that's not a good defense of Modi It’s not meant to be. > in order to acquire illicit benefits or abuse power for one's personal gain You’re quoting Wikipedia [1]; see the “definition and scales” section. Personal gain in this context is contrasted with political gain. Using state power to openly reward boosters is not corruption, though it might be an abuse of power. Using state power to illegally use violence as a political tactic, similarly, is not corruption. It’s authoritarianism, possibly fascism. It’s important for the word to have meaning, particularly in India, where overexpanding corruption to mean anything one doesn’t like could be particularly corrosive. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption
        yipbub 3y ago
        The word is commonly used to mean abuse of power, The original usage of the word in this conversation clearly meant that usage of the word: > Modi is corrupt. The guy does not have the interest of the country at heart, he just cares about the Ambanis and increasing the wealth of his political allies. Deciding whether Modi is corrupt or not based on technical differences between political gains and personal gains seems purely motivated to keep his image "squeaky clean".
    - local_crmdgeon 3y ago
      This is how I see it as well - the ethnic cleansing/riot stuff isn't some secret, it's a big part of his appeal to his base.
- rockyj 3y ago
  - Adani - BCCI (cricket) leadership - PM Cares Fund Just off the top of my head. I will leave you to reach your own conclusions after research.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    He’s surrounded by corruption. There is no evidence he is corrupt. There is a difference there in terms of to whom the personal gains accrue. He seems to play India’s corrupt oligarchs for political, not personal, gain. That’s hugely problematic. But it does not make him corrupt per se.
sparky4 3y ago
World is not as black and white as you think or how the media portrays.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> Modi is corrupt Source? Part of his allure and political inertia comes from being squeaky clean as far as bribes go.

yipbub 3y ago
He was complicit in the Gujurat riots ethnic cleansing[0] Demonetization was a scheme to enrich his billionaire friends and party[0]. There's a lot more, and being the PM he hasn't allowed the media to question him. He only appears in staged interviews singing his praises or speeches. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots [1] https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/national/bjp-members-knew-about-demonetisation-beforehand https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/national/bjp-members-kne...
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Gujurat riots ethnic cleansing…Demonetization…only appears in staged interviews singing his praises or speeches None of this is corruption. Authoritarianism. Populism, perhaps. But not fraudulent, not bribery, and not corruption.
  - yipbub 3y ago
    > None of this is corruption Even if that were true(which it's not), that's not a good defense of Modi. "Corruption is a form of dishonesty or a criminal offense which is undertaken by a person or an organization which is entrusted in a position of authority, in order to acquire illicit benefits or abuse power for one's personal gain."
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > that's not a good defense of Modi It’s not meant to be. > in order to acquire illicit benefits or abuse power for one's personal gain You’re quoting Wikipedia [1]; see the “definition and scales” section. Personal gain in this context is contrasted with political gain. Using state power to openly reward boosters is not corruption, though it might be an abuse of power. Using state power to illegally use violence as a political tactic, similarly, is not corruption. It’s authoritarianism, possibly fascism. It’s important for the word to have meaning, particularly in India, where overexpanding corruption to mean anything one doesn’t like could be particularly corrosive. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption
      - yipbub 3y ago
        The word is commonly used to mean abuse of power, The original usage of the word in this conversation clearly meant that usage of the word: > Modi is corrupt. The guy does not have the interest of the country at heart, he just cares about the Ambanis and increasing the wealth of his political allies. Deciding whether Modi is corrupt or not based on technical differences between political gains and personal gains seems purely motivated to keep his image "squeaky clean".
  - local_crmdgeon 3y ago
    This is how I see it as well - the ethnic cleansing/riot stuff isn't some secret, it's a big part of his appeal to his base.
rockyj 3y ago
- Adani - BCCI (cricket) leadership - PM Cares Fund Just off the top of my head. I will leave you to reach your own conclusions after research.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  He’s surrounded by corruption. There is no evidence he is corrupt. There is a difference there in terms of to whom the personal gains accrue. He seems to play India’s corrupt oligarchs for political, not personal, gain. That’s hugely problematic. But it does not make him corrupt per se.

sparky4 3y ago

World is not as black and white as you think or how the media portrays.