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ultra runner here...I've never heard this before. can you provide sources for "considerable evidence"?

by mbesto 3y ago

BenFranklin100 3y ago
I’m not going to convince anyone by pulling a couple references from PubMed. I only suggest you do your own research on extreme sports - and yes, ruining 26 miles nonstop counts as extreme - and come to your own conclusions. If you’re marathoner, I also invite you to investigate the importance of muscle mass in overall health, particularly as one ages. Muscle has a host oh health benefits, even though an extra 20 lbs of upper body muscle mass will kill your long distance running times.
- bikamonki 3y ago
  Useless. Evidence cannot change an addict's mind.
- RankingMember 3y ago
  > I’m not going to convince anyone by pulling a couple references from PubMed You could at least make a good faith attempt and meet people at least halfway though, right? FWIW I've read studies saying the same thing- my critique is just with your approach here. You wouldn't believe someone who just waltzed in with a statement and refused to post any references, would you?
- jawilson2 3y ago
  > I’m not going to convince anyone by pulling a couple references from PubMed This is, in fact, exactly how you convince people.
- mbesto 3y ago
  > 20 lbs of upper body muscle mass will kill your long distance running times. So will 20 lbs of lower muscle mass which I can gain through...you guessed it, running.
paulcole 3y ago
Everybody looks for a reason to not run. As a fellow ultra runner, I just roll my eyes and keep on running.
- 2muchcoffeeman 3y ago
  I think too many people want to run marathons. At what point did running really far become the thing to aspire too when getting fit? What about strength? Speed? Flexibility? Agility? Regardless of the evidence, most people are better served doing a good mix of activities and being generalists. The only reason to run more than 10km is if you like running. Otherwise 5-10km at a decent pace is just a good cheap way to get effective cardio. You should probably stop there and lift something heavy.
  - RankingMember 3y ago
    I think well-roundedness gets overlooked because our culture is one that lionizes those who push themselves to near-death in a certain specialization, so you get a segment of people pushing themselves harder than is holistically healthy. For example, a recent study found that two thirds of pro cyclists have markedly low bone density: https://www.velonews.com/news/dutch-study-two-thirds-of-pro-riders-have-poor-bone-health/#:~:text=A%20study%20by%20a%20Dutch,and%20conditions%20such%20as%20osteoporosis https://www.velonews.com/news/dutch-study-two-thirds-of-pro-....
  - InCityDreams 3y ago
    Zone 2 training. The long version.
    - mbesto 3y ago
      This. Zone 2 is where its at.
GuardianCaveman 3y ago
Oh he hit you with the, "do your own research." I also like that he posts that on this article about an 81 year old running 130kms. How many of his peers who did 30 minutes can barely walk but he's out there killing it.

ultra runner here...I've never heard this before. can you provide sources for "considerable evidence"?

by mbesto 3y ago

ultra runner here...I've never heard this before. can you provide sources for "considerable evidence"?

I’m not going to convince anyone by pulling a couple references from PubMed. I only suggest you do your own research on extreme sports - and yes, ruining 26 miles nonstop counts as extreme - and come to your own conclusions. If you’re marathoner, I also invite you to investigate the importance of muscle mass in overall health, particularly as one ages. Muscle has a host oh health benefits, even though an extra 20 lbs of upper body muscle mass will kill your long distance running times.

bikamonki 3y ago
Useless. Evidence cannot change an addict's mind.
RankingMember 3y ago
> I’m not going to convince anyone by pulling a couple references from PubMed You could at least make a good faith attempt and meet people at least halfway though, right? FWIW I've read studies saying the same thing- my critique is just with your approach here. You wouldn't believe someone who just waltzed in with a statement and refused to post any references, would you?
jawilson2 3y ago
> I’m not going to convince anyone by pulling a couple references from PubMed This is, in fact, exactly how you convince people.
mbesto 3y ago
> 20 lbs of upper body muscle mass will kill your long distance running times. So will 20 lbs of lower muscle mass which I can gain through...you guessed it, running.

paulcole 3y ago

Everybody looks for a reason to not run. As a fellow ultra runner, I just roll my eyes and keep on running.

2muchcoffeeman 3y ago
I think too many people want to run marathons. At what point did running really far become the thing to aspire too when getting fit? What about strength? Speed? Flexibility? Agility? Regardless of the evidence, most people are better served doing a good mix of activities and being generalists. The only reason to run more than 10km is if you like running. Otherwise 5-10km at a decent pace is just a good cheap way to get effective cardio. You should probably stop there and lift something heavy.
- RankingMember 3y ago
  I think well-roundedness gets overlooked because our culture is one that lionizes those who push themselves to near-death in a certain specialization, so you get a segment of people pushing themselves harder than is holistically healthy. For example, a recent study found that two thirds of pro cyclists have markedly low bone density: https://www.velonews.com/news/dutch-study-two-thirds-of-pro-riders-have-poor-bone-health/#:~:text=A%20study%20by%20a%20Dutch,and%20conditions%20such%20as%20osteoporosis https://www.velonews.com/news/dutch-study-two-thirds-of-pro-....
- InCityDreams 3y ago
  Zone 2 training. The long version.
  - mbesto 3y ago
    This. Zone 2 is where its at.

GuardianCaveman 3y ago

Oh he hit you with the, "do your own research." I also like that he posts that on this article about an 81 year old running 130kms. How many of his peers who did 30 minutes can barely walk but he's out there killing it.