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Things are going to get wild in the US the first time someone uses a drone to take out a corrupt cop who received a paid vacation as punishment for brutalizing

by Teever 4y ago

Things are going to get wild in the US the first time someone uses a drone to take out a corrupt cop who received a paid vacation as punishment for brutalizing an innocent person.

rasz 4y ago
I dont know of any real vigilante examples on Police in US.
- Teever 4y ago
  That's because it's too hard to get away with it. Drones will change the balance of power and you'll definitely start to see more of it.
  - montagg 4y ago
    It'll go both ways. All ways. The US is going to have its own version of [The Troubles][1] by 2033. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
  - throw74774 4y ago
    Why won’t the police be supplied with countermeasures and drones of their own?
    - Teever 4y ago
      Short of a ubiquitous gorgon stare[0] level of surveillance, how do you stop someone from deploying an autonomous drone with facial recognition that hunts down a particular individual? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare
      - prepend 4y ago
        Don’t drones require registration in the US? So any event like this will become a cyber investigation. And for the first one likely even considered domestic terrorism so it would use the NSA’s gorgon stare to trace back the purchaser and operator.
        Teever 4y ago
        As the article says anyone can buy a drone from aliexpress or build their own.
        prepend 4y ago
        But then it should be pretty easy to detect unregistered drones when they hit the air. And again, I think if someone built their own drone from parts, the surveillance drag net would be able to trace down purchases.
        foxyv 3y ago
        Below 100 feet it is remarkably difficult to detect and stop a drone in time to defend an attack. Especially since they can be fully automated, have onboard inertial measuring units and computer vision. Your best defense would be hunter killer drones over high value targets or trained birds. But defense always lags offense. Guided missiles used to be an expensive proposition. Now they are off the shelf parts for a couple thousand on digikey.
  - rasz 4y ago
    At the point you decide hurting people is ok you are usually mentally unstable enough to not be aware or care. People this bad in the head end up shooting up a school, or like the last SS/swastika tattoo sporting Texas neo Nazi attack a mall in predominantly white neighborhood. Mindless violence combined with suicide by cops. Somehow we seem to be past the IRA/Baader–Meinhof politically motivated organized groups, and deep into incel suicides. You wont find Carlos the Jackal in the west outside movie screens.
- foxyv 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_a... Christopher Dorner is one example. He was fired for reporting a training officer for police brutality and then decided to start killing police and their families. It was an utter shit show. > At about 5:30 am (PST), at least seven LAPD officers on a protection detail of an unnamed LAPD official's residence in the 19500 block of Redbeam Street in Torrance opened fire on the back of a light blue Toyota Tacoma and shot its two occupants, Emma Hernandez and her daughter, Margie Carranza delivering newspapers for the Los Angeles Times.
  - rasz 3y ago
    Wow, shit show indeed. If Im reading this right Dorner failed to kill even a single dirty/bad cop he was accusing of using excessive force. He killed "daughter of Randal Quan, the former LAPD captain who represented Dorner at his 2008 dismissal hearing" and two random police officers. Looks like revenge, not vigilantism.
    - foxyv 3y ago
      Vigilantism and revenge are often two sides of the same coin. If people were just rounding up criminals and peacefully providing them to the police for justice along with evidence and testimony then it wouldn't be vigilantism. Vigilantism is essentially just retributive justice without the benefit of due process.
LegitShady 4y ago
much more likely to be used by motivated terrorists than vigilantes.
- Teever 4y ago
  In this scenario, what is the difference?
  - LegitShady 3y ago
    the targets

by Teever 4y ago

Things are going to get wild in the US the first time someone uses a drone to take out a corrupt cop who received a paid vacation as punishment for brutalizing an innocent person.

rasz 4y ago

I dont know of any real vigilante examples on Police in US.

Teever 4y ago
That's because it's too hard to get away with it. Drones will change the balance of power and you'll definitely start to see more of it.
- montagg 4y ago
  It'll go both ways. All ways. The US is going to have its own version of [The Troubles][1] by 2033. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
- throw74774 4y ago
  Why won’t the police be supplied with countermeasures and drones of their own?
  - Teever 4y ago
    Short of a ubiquitous gorgon stare[0] level of surveillance, how do you stop someone from deploying an autonomous drone with facial recognition that hunts down a particular individual? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare
    - prepend 4y ago
      Don’t drones require registration in the US? So any event like this will become a cyber investigation. And for the first one likely even considered domestic terrorism so it would use the NSA’s gorgon stare to trace back the purchaser and operator.
      - Teever 4y ago
        As the article says anyone can buy a drone from aliexpress or build their own.
        prepend 4y ago
        But then it should be pretty easy to detect unregistered drones when they hit the air. And again, I think if someone built their own drone from parts, the surveillance drag net would be able to trace down purchases.
        foxyv 3y ago
        Below 100 feet it is remarkably difficult to detect and stop a drone in time to defend an attack. Especially since they can be fully automated, have onboard inertial measuring units and computer vision. Your best defense would be hunter killer drones over high value targets or trained birds. But defense always lags offense. Guided missiles used to be an expensive proposition. Now they are off the shelf parts for a couple thousand on digikey.
- rasz 4y ago
  At the point you decide hurting people is ok you are usually mentally unstable enough to not be aware or care. People this bad in the head end up shooting up a school, or like the last SS/swastika tattoo sporting Texas neo Nazi attack a mall in predominantly white neighborhood. Mindless violence combined with suicide by cops. Somehow we seem to be past the IRA/Baader–Meinhof politically motivated organized groups, and deep into incel suicides. You wont find Carlos the Jackal in the west outside movie screens.
foxyv 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_a... Christopher Dorner is one example. He was fired for reporting a training officer for police brutality and then decided to start killing police and their families. It was an utter shit show. > At about 5:30 am (PST), at least seven LAPD officers on a protection detail of an unnamed LAPD official's residence in the 19500 block of Redbeam Street in Torrance opened fire on the back of a light blue Toyota Tacoma and shot its two occupants, Emma Hernandez and her daughter, Margie Carranza delivering newspapers for the Los Angeles Times.
- rasz 3y ago
  Wow, shit show indeed. If Im reading this right Dorner failed to kill even a single dirty/bad cop he was accusing of using excessive force. He killed "daughter of Randal Quan, the former LAPD captain who represented Dorner at his 2008 dismissal hearing" and two random police officers. Looks like revenge, not vigilantism.
  - foxyv 3y ago
    Vigilantism and revenge are often two sides of the same coin. If people were just rounding up criminals and peacefully providing them to the police for justice along with evidence and testimony then it wouldn't be vigilantism. Vigilantism is essentially just retributive justice without the benefit of due process.

LegitShady 4y ago

much more likely to be used by motivated terrorists than vigilantes.

Teever 4y ago
In this scenario, what is the difference?
- LegitShady 3y ago
  the targets