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Implement jmap then!

by throw7 3y ago

ktosobcy 3y ago
Is it all that useful for regular desktop mail client? I can understand it's huge usefulness in browser or on mobile but on the desktop? Yes, it simplifies mail management, but (clunky) IMAP is already and works just fine?
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  > but (clunky) IMAP is already and works just fine Well, 'works just fine' is not what I would say about IMAP, more like 'works most of the time'. But in the end, IMAP is just for accessing mailbox and mail. JMAP also covers (besides server side actions and settings) calendar and contacts. If you remember, there are a separate protocols for these now (CalDAV, CardDAV) which are totally unrelated to IMAP. A desktop client with a full JMAP support would be close by the functionality to Outlook connected to Exchange, which is a thing many desire, especially in corporate settings.
  - ktosobcy 3y ago
    I'm aware and use those protocols. What's the benefit of bundling IMAP/SMTP/Cal|CardDAV into single JAMP protocol here? Those separate protocols work great and if someone only needs mail can only use IMAP/SMTP?
    - justsomehnguy 3y ago
      > Those separate protocols work great Nope, they are not. > What's the benefit of bundling Even not running around and configuring a separate IMAP, CalDAV, CardDAV, SMTP account settings would be a solid improvement. Runing over one endpoint instead of 3 would be a fine addition too. Not using a ridiculous STARTTLS would be a good thing too. > if someone only needs mail can only use IMAP/SMTP? That's not a protocol question, it's a MUA interface and configuration question.
- blendergeek 3y ago
  If more clients implement JMAP, maybe more servers will start supporting it.
AnonC 3y ago
JMAP doesn’t seem to have wider provider support (Fastmail, which created JMAP, seems to be the only one supporting it). It also has some pieces (IIRC, calendar, contacts) that are still being defined. Thunderbird supporting JMAP isn’t going to do much for Thunderbird. On the other hand, if Thunderbird supported Microsoft Exchange natively (without extensions) for mails and calendars using EWS (deprecated) or MS Graph, that could increase its use in the enterprise manifold. From what I’ve seen, companies using Microsoft365 have been turning off IMAP (and POP), pushing employees to Outlook as the only option.

Implement jmap then!

by throw7 3y ago

Implement jmap then!

Is it all that useful for regular desktop mail client? I can understand it's huge usefulness in browser or on mobile but on the desktop? Yes, it simplifies mail management, but (clunky) IMAP is already and works just fine?

justsomehnguy 3y ago
> but (clunky) IMAP is already and works just fine Well, 'works just fine' is not what I would say about IMAP, more like 'works most of the time'. But in the end, IMAP is just for accessing mailbox and mail. JMAP also covers (besides server side actions and settings) calendar and contacts. If you remember, there are a separate protocols for these now (CalDAV, CardDAV) which are totally unrelated to IMAP. A desktop client with a full JMAP support would be close by the functionality to Outlook connected to Exchange, which is a thing many desire, especially in corporate settings.
- ktosobcy 3y ago
  I'm aware and use those protocols. What's the benefit of bundling IMAP/SMTP/Cal|CardDAV into single JAMP protocol here? Those separate protocols work great and if someone only needs mail can only use IMAP/SMTP?
  - justsomehnguy 3y ago
    > Those separate protocols work great Nope, they are not. > What's the benefit of bundling Even not running around and configuring a separate IMAP, CalDAV, CardDAV, SMTP account settings would be a solid improvement. Runing over one endpoint instead of 3 would be a fine addition too. Not using a ridiculous STARTTLS would be a good thing too. > if someone only needs mail can only use IMAP/SMTP? That's not a protocol question, it's a MUA interface and configuration question.
blendergeek 3y ago
If more clients implement JMAP, maybe more servers will start supporting it.

AnonC 3y ago

JMAP doesn’t seem to have wider provider support (Fastmail, which created JMAP, seems to be the only one supporting it). It also has some pieces (IIRC, calendar, contacts) that are still being defined. Thunderbird supporting JMAP isn’t going to do much for Thunderbird. On the other hand, if Thunderbird supported Microsoft Exchange natively (without extensions) for mails and calendars using EWS (deprecated) or MS Graph, that could increase its use in the enterprise manifold. From what I’ve seen, companies using Microsoft365 have been turning off IMAP (and POP), pushing employees to Outlook as the only option.