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Tucker Carlson bringing show to Twitter

30 points by Zigurd 4y ago

dagorenouf 4y ago
As a content creator, the fear of being randomly banned / blacklisted by the platform I use is all too real. It happened to a friend of mine with a decent sized YouTube channel for 0 legitimate reason. Carlson picked the twitter platform not because it’s the best tool to host a show (YouTube or twitch would be better), but because it’s the place least likely to ban him. That might be the beginning of a new MOAT for twitter, if they survive long enough to make something from it. And politics aside could be beneficial to everyone.
- sammalloy 4y ago
  I don’t agree, and it appears to me that those who embrace the facade of free speech absolutism always turn out to provide forums for blocks, bans, and threats of political violence against their opponents. Look at the demise of any so-called free speech forum on the right for any numbers of examples. The right has been at this for more than a century while the left has staked their entire ideology on protecting free speech. Musk and Carlson have repeatedly shown that they value "free speech for me (protected class), but not for thee." The entire history of human rights is based on this dispute. One side wants free speech for the rich and powerful, while the other side wants it for everyone without threats of political and physical violence. Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, so by its very nature demands that free speech only applies to those with wealth and means.
  - mkr-hn 4y ago
    "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservative...
- BulgarianIdiot 4y ago
  Twitter is least likely to ban him due to the temporary chaos and incompetence of the "leadership". As lawsuits & losses pile, Musk will have to step down and then the "free speech" honeymoon is over. Also, I doubt Twitter has money for Carlson's show, the kind that'd justify him doing it, and paying his staff and himself enough to cover his costs and basic life's needs.
- rasz 4y ago
  You mean like GAB? Truth Social? ok.ru?
ForOldHack 4y ago
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version_five 4y ago
I have never watched his show but roughly understood it to be more of the kind of low-brow sensational fox-news stuff. I do belive he's a smart man though. I'm very interested to see the direction he goes with this, if he does something principled, or if it's just some tabloid news. I'd love to see an intelligent right wing opinion show, and I think he's up to the task, I don't know if it's the most profitable play though.
- zackees 4y ago
  He’s the most popular news anchor and has been the best signal in the msm complex who bucked the current thing narrative. Hence the reason he was kicked out.
  - mkr-hn 4y ago
    It was probably the violent, racist screed that came out during discovery in the Dominion suit on top of the sexist stuff. Even Fox News has standards. Specifically, hosts can't be seen or heard saying the quiet part out loud.
  - clouddrover 4y ago
    > the best signal in the msm complex who bucked the current thing narrative. And of course by Carlson "bucking the current thing narrative" you really mean Carlson shamelessly lies.
babelthuap 4y ago
I abhor all banning and blocking from any source. It is an effrontery to getting to the truth and used as a weapon to shield wrongdoing. I don't like the message of the KKK for example but so what. Their numbers were declining without any censoring online...meh. The people can figure this out. We can't figure it out though banning people who might help us figure things out that's for sure.
- sammalloy 4y ago
  When you research the history of the KKK, you will see that they were purveyors of the original blocks and bans; whenever a non-Christian or non-white spoke out about equal treatment under the law or decided to move into their town and live like any other person, they would begin a state-sanctioned campaign of intimidation and harassment against their opponents, sometimes resulting in their intentional injury or deaths and destruction of their private property. I say state-sanctioned because the KKK were part of the establishment, from the police department all the way to the governor’s office. You say we should allow the message of extremists to be heard, but their message is loud and clear: we will destroy the lives and property of anyone who disagrees with us. And this is why I maintain that free speech absolutism is a total charade, a con job to provide cover for political violence and limitations on the free speech of their opponents. The people cannot figure this out if they running for their lives from terrorists who are trying to kill them. And yes, the KKK were the original homegrown terrorist movement, and they were protected and given safe harbor by the government, just as Musk is protecting the same type of people today on Twitter.
  - babelthuap 4y ago
    I disagree. There is an episode of King of The Hill that mocks the KKK. You know what the KKK did? NOTHING. They didn't say a word. They didn't say a word because their numbers are very weak. It is a joke at this point. The episode actually used the KKK as actual jokes in Bobby's skit. Think about that for a minute. It went from feared to a joke in a cartoon show and nobody said a word because they are a joke.
    - 4y ago
suddenclarity 4y ago
The link is geo restricted. I assume blocking Europe due to GDPR. But I believe this is the original source: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1656037032538390530 https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1656037032538390530
kdot 4y ago
Twitter seems ill-suited for long-form video content. It's optimized more for bite-sized interactions, not prolonged viewing. The lagging, buffering, and poor video resolution reflect this. Platforms like YouTube or Vimeo have honed their infrastructure for stable, high-quality video streaming and created an interface that promotes sustained engagement. For Twitter to compete in this space, it needs to fundamentally rethink its approach to video content, from infrastructure and compression algorithms to user interface design and balancing social interaction with content consumption.
rvz 4y ago
Smart move. No longer restricted to the US and his reach is now globally available and he did NOT choose Truth Social. Given that, it means that Donald Trump will eventually be back on Twitter to cause chaos once again (and drive up more outrage) which is what the media and Twitter desperately needs to survive on.
- polski-g 4y ago
  Trump will return to Twitter when his exclusivity contract with Truth expires in the next few months.

30 points by Zigurd 4y ago

As a content creator, the fear of being randomly banned / blacklisted by the platform I use is all too real. It happened to a friend of mine with a decent sized YouTube channel for 0 legitimate reason. Carlson picked the twitter platform not because it’s the best tool to host a show (YouTube or twitch would be better), but because it’s the place least likely to ban him. That might be the beginning of a new MOAT for twitter, if they survive long enough to make something from it. And politics aside could be beneficial to everyone.

sammalloy 4y ago
I don’t agree, and it appears to me that those who embrace the facade of free speech absolutism always turn out to provide forums for blocks, bans, and threats of political violence against their opponents. Look at the demise of any so-called free speech forum on the right for any numbers of examples. The right has been at this for more than a century while the left has staked their entire ideology on protecting free speech. Musk and Carlson have repeatedly shown that they value "free speech for me (protected class), but not for thee." The entire history of human rights is based on this dispute. One side wants free speech for the rich and powerful, while the other side wants it for everyone without threats of political and physical violence. Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, so by its very nature demands that free speech only applies to those with wealth and means.
- mkr-hn 4y ago
  "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservative...
BulgarianIdiot 4y ago
Twitter is least likely to ban him due to the temporary chaos and incompetence of the "leadership". As lawsuits & losses pile, Musk will have to step down and then the "free speech" honeymoon is over. Also, I doubt Twitter has money for Carlson's show, the kind that'd justify him doing it, and paying his staff and himself enough to cover his costs and basic life's needs.
rasz 4y ago
You mean like GAB? Truth Social? ok.ru?

ForOldHack 4y ago

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version_five 4y ago

I have never watched his show but roughly understood it to be more of the kind of low-brow sensational fox-news stuff. I do belive he's a smart man though. I'm very interested to see the direction he goes with this, if he does something principled, or if it's just some tabloid news. I'd love to see an intelligent right wing opinion show, and I think he's up to the task, I don't know if it's the most profitable play though.

zackees 4y ago
He’s the most popular news anchor and has been the best signal in the msm complex who bucked the current thing narrative. Hence the reason he was kicked out.
- mkr-hn 4y ago
  It was probably the violent, racist screed that came out during discovery in the Dominion suit on top of the sexist stuff. Even Fox News has standards. Specifically, hosts can't be seen or heard saying the quiet part out loud.
- clouddrover 4y ago
  > the best signal in the msm complex who bucked the current thing narrative. And of course by Carlson "bucking the current thing narrative" you really mean Carlson shamelessly lies.

babelthuap 4y ago

I abhor all banning and blocking from any source. It is an effrontery to getting to the truth and used as a weapon to shield wrongdoing. I don't like the message of the KKK for example but so what. Their numbers were declining without any censoring online...meh. The people can figure this out. We can't figure it out though banning people who might help us figure things out that's for sure.

sammalloy 4y ago
When you research the history of the KKK, you will see that they were purveyors of the original blocks and bans; whenever a non-Christian or non-white spoke out about equal treatment under the law or decided to move into their town and live like any other person, they would begin a state-sanctioned campaign of intimidation and harassment against their opponents, sometimes resulting in their intentional injury or deaths and destruction of their private property. I say state-sanctioned because the KKK were part of the establishment, from the police department all the way to the governor’s office. You say we should allow the message of extremists to be heard, but their message is loud and clear: we will destroy the lives and property of anyone who disagrees with us. And this is why I maintain that free speech absolutism is a total charade, a con job to provide cover for political violence and limitations on the free speech of their opponents. The people cannot figure this out if they running for their lives from terrorists who are trying to kill them. And yes, the KKK were the original homegrown terrorist movement, and they were protected and given safe harbor by the government, just as Musk is protecting the same type of people today on Twitter.
- babelthuap 4y ago
  I disagree. There is an episode of King of The Hill that mocks the KKK. You know what the KKK did? NOTHING. They didn't say a word. They didn't say a word because their numbers are very weak. It is a joke at this point. The episode actually used the KKK as actual jokes in Bobby's skit. Think about that for a minute. It went from feared to a joke in a cartoon show and nobody said a word because they are a joke.
  - 4y ago

suddenclarity 4y ago

The link is geo restricted. I assume blocking Europe due to GDPR. But I believe this is the original source: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1656037032538390530 https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1656037032538390530

kdot 4y ago

Twitter seems ill-suited for long-form video content. It's optimized more for bite-sized interactions, not prolonged viewing. The lagging, buffering, and poor video resolution reflect this. Platforms like YouTube or Vimeo have honed their infrastructure for stable, high-quality video streaming and created an interface that promotes sustained engagement. For Twitter to compete in this space, it needs to fundamentally rethink its approach to video content, from infrastructure and compression algorithms to user interface design and balancing social interaction with content consumption.

rvz 4y ago

Smart move. No longer restricted to the US and his reach is now globally available and he did NOT choose Truth Social. Given that, it means that Donald Trump will eventually be back on Twitter to cause chaos once again (and drive up more outrage) which is what the media and Twitter desperately needs to survive on.

polski-g 4y ago
Trump will return to Twitter when his exclusivity contract with Truth expires in the next few months.