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> I'm looking at components that are most affected by entropy This! I have difficulty understanding why more people don't view products from this angle, as thi

by jjav 4y ago

> I'm looking at components that are most affected by entropy This! I have difficulty understanding why more people don't view products from this angle, as this is the thinking that dominates my thoughts when considering any purchase. Everything is going to break, that's physical reality. So how easy (cost & availability) will it be to fix? What are the consequences of things breaking? Is it just that one feature that becomes disabled until fixed, or does it take down other systems or the entire product?

oblio 4y ago
Most people probably sell their cars after 5 years or so. Edit: 8 years ( https://www.germaincars.com/average-length-of-car-ownership/ https://www.germaincars.com/average-length-of-car-ownership/ )
- jjav 4y ago
  > Most people probably sell their cars after 5 (8) years or so. But these are stats from new car buyers. But of course they are selling to someone else, and so on. The always-new car buyer won't experience these problems, but these are the people rich enough to be buying new cars every handful of years. The car will live on for many decades in the second-hand market and still needs to be repaired.
  - oblio 4y ago
    The average car age is 12 years: https://www.statista.com/statistics/738667/us-vehicles-projected-age/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/738667/us-vehicles-proje... So that's only 4 more years on average. And modern cars are quite reliable. > The car will live on for many decades in the second-hand market and still needs to be repaired. Cars that live 20+ years are probably a minority.
    - jjav 4y ago
      > Cars that live 20+ years are probably a minority. That seems vastly unlikely? But I don't have stats one way or the other. My newest car is 19 years old and it's like new for all purposes. My other cars currently are 30 and 35 years old and aside from paint faiding they are as good as new. With reasonable maintenance, cars will last for many many decades.
      - oblio 4y ago
        You are by far the exception, especially since being on HN, you're most likely to be middle class or higher. Poor people have cars that old, usually, there's a reason they're called "beaters". People in general try not to have cars older than around 7 years if they can, that's the "public wisdom" regarding when cars start having bigger maintenance problems. Edit: There you go, data: https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2022/02/how-old-are-cars/ https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2022/02/how-old-are-cars/ Only 24% older than 18 years. 30 years old puts you at 5% and 35 years old at 1%.
        candiodari 3y ago
        > Poor people have cars that old, usually, there's a reason they're called "beaters". And GM (and ...) probably see that as a "revenue opportunity".

by jjav 4y ago

oblio 4y ago

Most people probably sell their cars after 5 years or so. Edit: 8 years ( https://www.germaincars.com/average-length-of-car-ownership/ https://www.germaincars.com/average-length-of-car-ownership/ )

jjav 4y ago
> Most people probably sell their cars after 5 (8) years or so. But these are stats from new car buyers. But of course they are selling to someone else, and so on. The always-new car buyer won't experience these problems, but these are the people rich enough to be buying new cars every handful of years. The car will live on for many decades in the second-hand market and still needs to be repaired.
- oblio 4y ago
  The average car age is 12 years: https://www.statista.com/statistics/738667/us-vehicles-projected-age/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/738667/us-vehicles-proje... So that's only 4 more years on average. And modern cars are quite reliable. > The car will live on for many decades in the second-hand market and still needs to be repaired. Cars that live 20+ years are probably a minority.
  - jjav 4y ago
    > Cars that live 20+ years are probably a minority. That seems vastly unlikely? But I don't have stats one way or the other. My newest car is 19 years old and it's like new for all purposes. My other cars currently are 30 and 35 years old and aside from paint faiding they are as good as new. With reasonable maintenance, cars will last for many many decades.
    - oblio 4y ago
      You are by far the exception, especially since being on HN, you're most likely to be middle class or higher. Poor people have cars that old, usually, there's a reason they're called "beaters". People in general try not to have cars older than around 7 years if they can, that's the "public wisdom" regarding when cars start having bigger maintenance problems. Edit: There you go, data: https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2022/02/how-old-are-cars/ https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2022/02/how-old-are-cars/ Only 24% older than 18 years. 30 years old puts you at 5% and 35 years old at 1%.
      - candiodari 3y ago
        > Poor people have cars that old, usually, there's a reason they're called "beaters". And GM (and ...) probably see that as a "revenue opportunity".