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‘Everything is gone’: entire Indian villages burned in ethnic violence

35 points by lisasays 3y ago

TapWaterBandit 3y ago
Sad stuff. The Hindu nationalism being pushed by Modi seems to be having more and more dire consequences for minorities in India.
- n_t 3y ago
  Even this news report could not call it attack on minority (though they surreptitiously use images to build that notion), because reality is just the opposite - it is Christian tribes attacking local Hindus. India has similar to affirmative action law (called reservation) which provides certain castes and tribes up to 60% of allocation in various governmental programs (like admission in university, promo in govt jobs, etc.)[0]. Kuki tribe (now all Christians) had this reservation for long but Metei (local Hindus who also qualify for Scheduled Tribe in that region) were demanding them to be included too. Recently, judicial court gave Meitei right to be included in this reservation system [1] and Kukis started rioting against it. The attack has been primarily from Kukis to displace Meitei from this region, and hence not share reservation quota. (um! does genocide ring a bell? probably not because genocide of Hindus in India is common thing. See Kashmir[2], Kerala[3], and currently going on in West Bengal). I'll also add that in India, English media is very heavily biased against Hindus so one has to read regional language news or social media to find unbiased (unfortunately, unfiltered too) reports. To answer what you are thinking next - you can prove it yourself! Just compare what English dailies/channel report vs twitter layperson and regional newspapers do with evidence. Not just for this, for any (seemingly never-ending) forthcoming incidences. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India [1] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/manipur-high-court-directs-state-to-consider-inclusion-of-meitei-community-in-scheduled-tribes-list/article66756719.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/manipur-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_rebellion
  - selimthegrim 3y ago
    You are aware that lunchroom canteen at the Hindu had strict vegetarian policy until recently and you’re telling me they’re biased against Hindus? And speaking of WB please tell me who was killing all the Hindus at Marichjhapi?
    - n_t 3y ago
      You referring to this? https://theprint.in/pageturner/excerpt/the-left-massacre-of-migrant-hindus-in-bengal-that-was-bigger-than-2002-1984/233691/ https://theprint.in/pageturner/excerpt/the-left-massacre-of-...
  - questime 3y ago
    Why would Indian media be anti Hindu when the almost all of the 1. Electorate, 2. Government, 3. Corporations, 4. Media houses, 5. Rich are Hindu? I'd love to hear your explanation for that one. I don't disagree with your first point.
    - n_t 3y ago
      Thanks for your question. Curiosity is first step towards knowledge. I wish I was eloquent enough to put decades of history in few words. Best I can do is point you towards this book https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57313237-sanghi-who-never-went-to-a-shakha https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57313237-sanghi-who-neve.... Note, anything even remotely exposing the issue will be immediately tagged as nationalist, BJP, RSS, Modi etc. The book only is about personal experience of one media person, and doesnt dig deeper into what brought media into this state. It can be starting point and you can follow the references further.
      - throwaway384629 3y ago
        Wow, great example. /s So is Book that you linked written by the same Rahul Roushan who is the CEO of OpIndia, a right-wing news portal that has been found publishing fake & Islamophobic news on multiple occasions?[1] The other editor of OpIndia is Nupur J Sharma, who was also the BJP national spokesperson in 2020 and her derogatory remarks against Prophet on TV sparked outrage in India as well as the Arab world. [2] [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahul_Roushan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahul_Roushan [1] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/who-is-nupur-sharma-whose-remarks-have-caused-outrage-in-the-arab-world/articleshow/92041021.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/who-is-nupur-sharm... [2] https://scroll.in/latest/1025549/iran-kuwait-and-saudi-arabia-protest-bjp-spokespersons-comments-about-prophet-mohammad https://scroll.in/latest/1025549/iran-kuwait-and-saudi-arabi... [3]
- srnayak 3y ago
  I am from India. This incident has less to do with Hindu nationalism and more to do with reservation and politics. In the state of Manipur, the majority (60%) are Meitei ethnic group. Out of those around 80% Hindu and rest are Muslim. The remaining 40% are from various tribal communities which are mostly Christians. The tribal communities enjoy a lot of benefits starting from government jobs to right to use forest land. So there is a demand from Meitei people to be included as tribal to get the same benefits. The current Christian tribal communities are against this as they will have to share the benefit with a much larger and better educated group. That is the cause of the tension.
armx40 3y ago
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- throwaway384629 3y ago
  Of course, all is well for government shills. Dismiss every negative news as one of the following: - Western propaganda - Anti India forces - Foreign hand - Pakistan - Anti-nationals
  - armx40 3y ago
    Tell me what Hindu and Christian have to do in this case. And mentioning the expected keywords in the title and sub title and nudging the people to think in line with a certain narrative, is what the western media is master of. And I’m not a government shill, and to be honest I think this issue is 100% on the shoulders of the state government which is BJP. And western media propaganda is also real.
    - throwaway384629 3y ago
      Pardon my language in previous comment. I am just sad/angry because innocent people are being killed. Governments are responsible when this happens and we need to raise our voices. Your comment about "Hindu and Christian" might be valid. It might be a "western media propaganda" as well. But the main topic is that thousands of people got displaced, hundreds got killed/injured and that is the part that matters the most. How does it improves the outlook if they hadn't mentioned "Hindu and Christian" in the title? Does it become a happy news or does it bring glory to the name of government or India? So imho, we should not dilute the topic by nitpicking when its a news about hundreds getting killed.
  - desi_ninja 3y ago
    Actually go and read about coverage of India in NYt and WaPo. Those editors have a Vendetta out. I have not seen more dishonest coverage about India . Not everything is happy and progressive in india but it is far from the hell hole these media organisations show. Infact democracy rankings rank India below Taliban controlled Afghanistan. Are you kidding me ? What kind of drug they are on ?
abudabi123 3y ago
Apple is coming to town for Xmas production.
throwaway384629 3y ago
And PM Modi and Home Minister Shah are busy in election campaign in Karnataka state. Dozens of tweets for Karnataka in last few days, not a single mention of Manipur violence on PM's twitter account. BJP is power in Manipur. https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/1654784919607070721 https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/1654784919607070721
- srnayak 3y ago
  To control law and order, you need to take action on the ground. Indian government has already deployed the army and paramilitary forces to control violence.
spprashant 3y ago
People in India have become tone-deaf to communal violence now. It's become so frequent and obvious, that the ruling majority considers it as the cost of doing business. We will destroy a portion of the population in the race to put India on the global map.
- throwaway384629 3y ago
  Actually its not the "cost of doing business", but an "enabler of the business" for right-wing/conservative politicians. It's unfortunate that some political parties benefits when there is no harmony in people. Whether its White vs Black in USA, or Hindu vs Muslims in India and so on...
- n_t 3y ago
  I'm from India, I beg to differ. Despite all the cacophony of news channels, it is much less lawlessness now, partly because people are more aware and focused on their lives. However, to your point "destroy a portion of the population in the race to put India on the global map." I encourage you do dig deeper than what english media reports and find the truth yourself. For example, the reason for this violence is two tribal communities, X & Y in hilly area. X was enjoying benefits of reservation, while Y had shared same past and situations. Y went to court asking to be included for reservation as schedule tribe, which court agreed to. Immediately, rioting starts. Can you come up a logical reason why Y would create ruckus instead of celebrating these benefits? Now read the news again and fill in who is X and who is Y.
  - spprashant 3y ago
    Okay please go ahead and tell me this isn't true. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/tolerant-muslims-can-be-counted-on-fingers-junior-law-minister-at-rss-event-4017961 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/tolerant-muslims-can-be-coun... This is an Union minister speaking at an RSS event. This is neither the first nor the most vicious attack on India's biggest minority that I have heard of. This kind of rhetoric just seems commonplace today. Full disclosure: I am an Indian too, living abroad now, but voted for the Modi government in 2014.
MPlus88 3y ago
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jacooper 3y ago
Typical Hindu nationalism, the BJP won't care until it affects them. An example of that is the endless anti-muslim rehotic, they only cared when the Arabian gulf reacted to a BJP PM attacking islam.
known 3y ago
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35 points by lisasays 3y ago

Sad stuff. The Hindu nationalism being pushed by Modi seems to be having more and more dire consequences for minorities in India.

n_t 3y ago
Even this news report could not call it attack on minority (though they surreptitiously use images to build that notion), because reality is just the opposite - it is Christian tribes attacking local Hindus. India has similar to affirmative action law (called reservation) which provides certain castes and tribes up to 60% of allocation in various governmental programs (like admission in university, promo in govt jobs, etc.)[0]. Kuki tribe (now all Christians) had this reservation for long but Metei (local Hindus who also qualify for Scheduled Tribe in that region) were demanding them to be included too. Recently, judicial court gave Meitei right to be included in this reservation system [1] and Kukis started rioting against it. The attack has been primarily from Kukis to displace Meitei from this region, and hence not share reservation quota. (um! does genocide ring a bell? probably not because genocide of Hindus in India is common thing. See Kashmir[2], Kerala[3], and currently going on in West Bengal). I'll also add that in India, English media is very heavily biased against Hindus so one has to read regional language news or social media to find unbiased (unfortunately, unfiltered too) reports. To answer what you are thinking next - you can prove it yourself! Just compare what English dailies/channel report vs twitter layperson and regional newspapers do with evidence. Not just for this, for any (seemingly never-ending) forthcoming incidences. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India [1] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/manipur-high-court-directs-state-to-consider-inclusion-of-meitei-community-in-scheduled-tribes-list/article66756719.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/manipur-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_rebellion
- selimthegrim 3y ago
  You are aware that lunchroom canteen at the Hindu had strict vegetarian policy until recently and you’re telling me they’re biased against Hindus? And speaking of WB please tell me who was killing all the Hindus at Marichjhapi?
  - n_t 3y ago
    You referring to this? https://theprint.in/pageturner/excerpt/the-left-massacre-of-migrant-hindus-in-bengal-that-was-bigger-than-2002-1984/233691/ https://theprint.in/pageturner/excerpt/the-left-massacre-of-...
- questime 3y ago
  Why would Indian media be anti Hindu when the almost all of the 1. Electorate, 2. Government, 3. Corporations, 4. Media houses, 5. Rich are Hindu? I'd love to hear your explanation for that one. I don't disagree with your first point.
  - n_t 3y ago
    Thanks for your question. Curiosity is first step towards knowledge. I wish I was eloquent enough to put decades of history in few words. Best I can do is point you towards this book https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57313237-sanghi-who-never-went-to-a-shakha https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57313237-sanghi-who-neve.... Note, anything even remotely exposing the issue will be immediately tagged as nationalist, BJP, RSS, Modi etc. The book only is about personal experience of one media person, and doesnt dig deeper into what brought media into this state. It can be starting point and you can follow the references further.
    - throwaway384629 3y ago
      Wow, great example. /s So is Book that you linked written by the same Rahul Roushan who is the CEO of OpIndia, a right-wing news portal that has been found publishing fake & Islamophobic news on multiple occasions?[1] The other editor of OpIndia is Nupur J Sharma, who was also the BJP national spokesperson in 2020 and her derogatory remarks against Prophet on TV sparked outrage in India as well as the Arab world. [2] [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahul_Roushan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahul_Roushan [1] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/who-is-nupur-sharma-whose-remarks-have-caused-outrage-in-the-arab-world/articleshow/92041021.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/who-is-nupur-sharm... [2] https://scroll.in/latest/1025549/iran-kuwait-and-saudi-arabia-protest-bjp-spokespersons-comments-about-prophet-mohammad https://scroll.in/latest/1025549/iran-kuwait-and-saudi-arabi... [3]
srnayak 3y ago
I am from India. This incident has less to do with Hindu nationalism and more to do with reservation and politics. In the state of Manipur, the majority (60%) are Meitei ethnic group. Out of those around 80% Hindu and rest are Muslim. The remaining 40% are from various tribal communities which are mostly Christians. The tribal communities enjoy a lot of benefits starting from government jobs to right to use forest land. So there is a demand from Meitei people to be included as tribal to get the same benefits. The current Christian tribal communities are against this as they will have to share the benefit with a much larger and better educated group. That is the cause of the tension.

armx40 3y ago

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throwaway384629 3y ago
Of course, all is well for government shills. Dismiss every negative news as one of the following: - Western propaganda - Anti India forces - Foreign hand - Pakistan - Anti-nationals
- armx40 3y ago
  Tell me what Hindu and Christian have to do in this case. And mentioning the expected keywords in the title and sub title and nudging the people to think in line with a certain narrative, is what the western media is master of. And I’m not a government shill, and to be honest I think this issue is 100% on the shoulders of the state government which is BJP. And western media propaganda is also real.
  - throwaway384629 3y ago
    Pardon my language in previous comment. I am just sad/angry because innocent people are being killed. Governments are responsible when this happens and we need to raise our voices. Your comment about "Hindu and Christian" might be valid. It might be a "western media propaganda" as well. But the main topic is that thousands of people got displaced, hundreds got killed/injured and that is the part that matters the most. How does it improves the outlook if they hadn't mentioned "Hindu and Christian" in the title? Does it become a happy news or does it bring glory to the name of government or India? So imho, we should not dilute the topic by nitpicking when its a news about hundreds getting killed.
- desi_ninja 3y ago
  Actually go and read about coverage of India in NYt and WaPo. Those editors have a Vendetta out. I have not seen more dishonest coverage about India . Not everything is happy and progressive in india but it is far from the hell hole these media organisations show. Infact democracy rankings rank India below Taliban controlled Afghanistan. Are you kidding me ? What kind of drug they are on ?

abudabi123 3y ago

Apple is coming to town for Xmas production.

throwaway384629 3y ago

And PM Modi and Home Minister Shah are busy in election campaign in Karnataka state. Dozens of tweets for Karnataka in last few days, not a single mention of Manipur violence on PM's twitter account. BJP is power in Manipur. https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/1654784919607070721 https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/1654784919607070721

srnayak 3y ago
To control law and order, you need to take action on the ground. Indian government has already deployed the army and paramilitary forces to control violence.

spprashant 3y ago

People in India have become tone-deaf to communal violence now. It's become so frequent and obvious, that the ruling majority considers it as the cost of doing business. We will destroy a portion of the population in the race to put India on the global map.

throwaway384629 3y ago
Actually its not the "cost of doing business", but an "enabler of the business" for right-wing/conservative politicians. It's unfortunate that some political parties benefits when there is no harmony in people. Whether its White vs Black in USA, or Hindu vs Muslims in India and so on...
n_t 3y ago
I'm from India, I beg to differ. Despite all the cacophony of news channels, it is much less lawlessness now, partly because people are more aware and focused on their lives. However, to your point "destroy a portion of the population in the race to put India on the global map." I encourage you do dig deeper than what english media reports and find the truth yourself. For example, the reason for this violence is two tribal communities, X & Y in hilly area. X was enjoying benefits of reservation, while Y had shared same past and situations. Y went to court asking to be included for reservation as schedule tribe, which court agreed to. Immediately, rioting starts. Can you come up a logical reason why Y would create ruckus instead of celebrating these benefits? Now read the news again and fill in who is X and who is Y.
- spprashant 3y ago
  Okay please go ahead and tell me this isn't true. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/tolerant-muslims-can-be-counted-on-fingers-junior-law-minister-at-rss-event-4017961 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/tolerant-muslims-can-be-coun... This is an Union minister speaking at an RSS event. This is neither the first nor the most vicious attack on India's biggest minority that I have heard of. This kind of rhetoric just seems commonplace today. Full disclosure: I am an Indian too, living abroad now, but voted for the Modi government in 2014.

MPlus88 3y ago

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jacooper 3y ago

Typical Hindu nationalism, the BJP won't care until it affects them. An example of that is the endless anti-muslim rehotic, they only cared when the Arabian gulf reacted to a BJP PM attacking islam.

known 3y ago

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