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He really says: the world WOULD clearly be much better off without so many of us [1] There are varying degrees of mendacity involved in making the above state
by mynameishere 18y ago
He really says:
the world WOULD clearly be much better off without so many of us [1]
There are varying degrees of mendacity involved in making the above statement. The most honest thing to say would have been, "I want my share of natural resources to be higher than it is, therefore I want fewer people." It becomes more and more dishonest to say, "I fear for the planet/environment, etc". But what is this "the world"? Is it the trees? That would be an interesting thing, to be an herbal supremacist. It goes FAR beyond the typical yuppy habit of paying 80 dollars for a pound of Darjeeling. But, really, by "the world" he means "the people", thus
the people WOULD clearly be much better off without so many of us
And who is "us". Who else could "us" be besides "the people". Therefore,
the people WOULD clearly be much better off without so many people
Clearly, we are dealing with an idiot. Even if the roundaboutedness of the above statement were accepted, his prophecies of apocolypse should be self-correcting by killing off most of us anyway. His is a college-level equivalent of the grade school bestseller "Ishmael".
But...he's not really an idiot, as I've deliberately misinterpreted him in the very manner that he wants to be misinterpreted. The correct translation is this:
my group WOULD clearly be much better off without so many of your group
I agree that this is a rational thing to say. It indisputably results in a value true for all inputs "my" and "your". This attitude is very common as a result, and even if he never honestly advocated the genocide of x billion people, clearly it "WOULD" be a nice thing.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mims-Pianka_controversy#Response_to_criticism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mims-Pianka_controversy#Respons...
- petercooper 18y agoI disagree that it has to be one group vs another as you seem to have concluded. I think it's more like if you're in a traffic jam. Everyone in that traffic jam would probably believe that the traffic would flow better without so much traffic. This is a reasonably assertion, and turns it more into your second assertion: the people WOULD clearly be much better off without so many people That's not a "roundabout" statement. The meanings of "people" are slightly different in the two positions. More accurately: humanity would clearly be much better off if the population were lower