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Really impressive that they provide instructions to solder the old cards up towards the new spec. Fully out of my range of talents, but does show they genuinel

by rubenv 3y ago

Really impressive that they provide instructions to solder the old cards up towards the new spec. Fully out of my range of talents, but does show they genuinely care about what they preach.

qingcharles 3y ago
This really impressed me. Can you imagine Dell or Apple doing this?
- surteen 3y ago
  No, but I also can't imagine Apple shipping something that needed a bodge wire soldered in to make it work well. They do a lot more power consumption engineering than most PC companies and they operate on such a large scale that they'd have found out about a battery drain like this much sooner and could fix it in the production process.
  - coolgoose 3y ago
    The same Apple in which you had be careful which USB C port you used to not overheat?
    - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
      It's the customer's fault for using the wrong USB port obviously /s
  - OJFord 3y ago
    Oh, so the first Apple laptop had zero bugs, and nothing has been fixed since?
    - RockRobotRock 3y ago
      That's obviously what they said!
      - Brian_K_White 3y ago
        Yes, it obviously IS. In what way was it not?
  - viraptor 3y ago
    Yeah, it's not like they had any hardware defects like broken keyboards, power management issues, blank watch screens, recalled batteries, weirdly places antennas, etc... Oh wait they just ignore those until the problem gets large enough they get into news and need to start honouring the warranties.
  - skeaker 3y ago
    Kind of missing the point, I think the above commenter was noting that they couldn't imagine Apple ever encouraging someone to get intimate with the internals at all. I certainly can't. You might say, "Why would you want to," but it's more about "why not?" I guess that's all a roundabout way to say that Framework is pretty in-touch with the hacker mentality, whereas Apple is too far gone in that respect.
  - alpaca128 3y ago
    You mean like when Macbook display cables were too short and disconnected if you opened and closed the lid often enough, and Apple denied there was ever a problem while fixing it a generation later?
- znpy 3y ago
  Apple would have covered the screw up and blamed it on you, telling you it would be a great idea to buy a whole new laptop. And it they would release a new and fixed version they would announced as if they had created a new form of life.
- Waterluvian 3y ago
  Rather different customer bases.
zbrozek 3y ago
I just placed a preorder for one of the upcoming AMD laptops because the timing is good relative to my needs and I like their corporate ethos. While I won't need to execute this rework, it doesn't deserve the "very difficult" rating. The biggest hurdle for most people will be the equipment. A microscope makes all the difference in the world for stuff like this, but few folks have them or know where to go to borrow time on one. By contrast, I just replaced the screen and battery on a Surface Pro. That was definitely very difficult. Mostly because of glue.

by rubenv 3y ago

Really impressive that they provide instructions to solder the old cards up towards the new spec. Fully out of my range of talents, but does show they genuinely care about what they preach.

qingcharles 3y ago

This really impressed me. Can you imagine Dell or Apple doing this?

surteen 3y ago
No, but I also can't imagine Apple shipping something that needed a bodge wire soldered in to make it work well. They do a lot more power consumption engineering than most PC companies and they operate on such a large scale that they'd have found out about a battery drain like this much sooner and could fix it in the production process.
- coolgoose 3y ago
  The same Apple in which you had be careful which USB C port you used to not overheat?
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    It's the customer's fault for using the wrong USB port obviously /s
- OJFord 3y ago
  Oh, so the first Apple laptop had zero bugs, and nothing has been fixed since?
  - RockRobotRock 3y ago
    That's obviously what they said!
    - Brian_K_White 3y ago
      Yes, it obviously IS. In what way was it not?
- viraptor 3y ago
  Yeah, it's not like they had any hardware defects like broken keyboards, power management issues, blank watch screens, recalled batteries, weirdly places antennas, etc... Oh wait they just ignore those until the problem gets large enough they get into news and need to start honouring the warranties.
- skeaker 3y ago
  Kind of missing the point, I think the above commenter was noting that they couldn't imagine Apple ever encouraging someone to get intimate with the internals at all. I certainly can't. You might say, "Why would you want to," but it's more about "why not?" I guess that's all a roundabout way to say that Framework is pretty in-touch with the hacker mentality, whereas Apple is too far gone in that respect.
- alpaca128 3y ago
  You mean like when Macbook display cables were too short and disconnected if you opened and closed the lid often enough, and Apple denied there was ever a problem while fixing it a generation later?
znpy 3y ago
Apple would have covered the screw up and blamed it on you, telling you it would be a great idea to buy a whole new laptop. And it they would release a new and fixed version they would announced as if they had created a new form of life.
Waterluvian 3y ago
Rather different customer bases.

zbrozek 3y ago

I just placed a preorder for one of the upcoming AMD laptops because the timing is good relative to my needs and I like their corporate ethos. While I won't need to execute this rework, it doesn't deserve the "very difficult" rating. The biggest hurdle for most people will be the equipment. A microscope makes all the difference in the world for stuff like this, but few folks have them or know where to go to borrow time on one. By contrast, I just replaced the screen and battery on a Surface Pro. That was definitely very difficult. Mostly because of glue.