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I was an engineering manager in Mike's org. I liked him on a personal level but he was thrown a lot of legacy services from other orgs. Cloud services is just n

I was an engineering manager in Mike's org. I liked him on a personal level but he was thrown a lot of legacy services from other orgs. Cloud services is just not Apple's forte. The internal tools/infra feels 10 years behind Google (based on friends who've worked at both). I too heard that he was pushed out.

jjoonathan 3y ago
2013 Google tooling was pretty decent. Does WebObjects still haunt Apple's cloud services?
- aaplnisider 3y ago
  Yep, some services still do.
tgma 3y ago
Definitely more than 10 years behind Google and probably going to stay shit for foreseeable future based on their hiring patterns and pay. Apple routinely claims they can underpay new hires compared to Google and Facebook and they have to accept it because "it is a privilege to work at Apple." Probably you can hire a bunch of cultists with that message to work closer to iPhone and UI but I doubt the hardcore infrastructure folks particularly count "working as Apple" as a special privilege compared to Google and Facebook.
- zen_1 3y ago
  I'd prefer working at Apple to F/G because at least Apple pretend to care about user's privacy, and their business model isn't inherently opposed to it. I'm an android/PC user by choice, so working on the iWidgets doesn't hold much appeal for me.
  - tgma 3y ago
    This is not a question that warrants much abstract analysis. Only relevant if you have simultaneous offers or work at one of the companies and get an offer at the other and are faced with the concrete numbers and a choice. Me personally wouldn’t prefer working at a place with sucky tooling (build systems, code review, testing) and comparatively inferior average infrastructure engineering while taking a lower pay simply because the company is great at building iPhones. Sure I commend their attitude towards privacy and I am a happy customer.

jjoonathan 3y ago

2013 Google tooling was pretty decent. Does WebObjects still haunt Apple's cloud services?

aaplnisider 3y ago
Yep, some services still do.

tgma 3y ago

Definitely more than 10 years behind Google and probably going to stay shit for foreseeable future based on their hiring patterns and pay. Apple routinely claims they can underpay new hires compared to Google and Facebook and they have to accept it because "it is a privilege to work at Apple." Probably you can hire a bunch of cultists with that message to work closer to iPhone and UI but I doubt the hardcore infrastructure folks particularly count "working as Apple" as a special privilege compared to Google and Facebook.

zen_1 3y ago
I'd prefer working at Apple to F/G because at least Apple pretend to care about user's privacy, and their business model isn't inherently opposed to it. I'm an android/PC user by choice, so working on the iWidgets doesn't hold much appeal for me.
- tgma 3y ago
  This is not a question that warrants much abstract analysis. Only relevant if you have simultaneous offers or work at one of the companies and get an offer at the other and are faced with the concrete numbers and a choice. Me personally wouldn’t prefer working at a place with sucky tooling (build systems, code review, testing) and comparatively inferior average infrastructure engineering while taking a lower pay simply because the company is great at building iPhones. Sure I commend their attitude towards privacy and I am a happy customer.