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Most fun thing about permaculture is the fact that no one is making money from actually applying it but rather just selling courses, books and other media. It’s

Most fun thing about permaculture is the fact that no one is making money from actually applying it but rather just selling courses, books and other media. It’s funny since the first thing you learn about it, is that you don’t need to spend a lot of money doing it. Beside that, permaculture is nothing more than a framework for systems design. Can be applied to much more than your garden.

11235813213455 3y ago
> no one is making money your comment makes me think of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35847327 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35847327 Permaculture is mostly about growing food for yourself and local friends
- wing-_-nuts 3y ago
  People joke about the fact that you're not really saving any money doing this vs buying the produce at the store, and they might be right, but it's not about the price of food, it's about learning the knowledge needed to grow your own. It kind of freaks me out that 98% of the US population would starve if our ag system seriously broke down. We could seriously use some resiliency there.
  - badpun 3y ago
    Many permaculturists would probably starve too. It's pretty hard for a person with a backyard to consistently produce the 2500+ kcal needed per day, and also process and store it so that it's available outside of harvest season as well.
    - blisterpeanuts 3y ago
      I think some of these folks who are on several acres, and who have poultry, cattle, pigs, and extensive gardens, will likely not starve. But life will be hard, once the fuel and electricity run out, even the ones who are totally off grid with solar and storage batteries. Just basic stuff like screws, pumps, pipes, tools, not to mention medical care, pharmaceuticals etc.
      - oh_sigh 3y ago
        Not starve if left to their own devices. But if they're anywhere even close to a city or town, or a group of other people who don't have those things, they better be prepared to defend it.
        VBprogrammer 3y ago
        In fairness, some permaculture people talk about this, for example, food forests which can produce an impressive amount of food which a city dweller would not recognise or know how to cook even if they did. If you have a large enough food forest then you could be providing some kind of subsistence living long after someone came for your cows, sheep and pigs.
        _heimdall 3y ago
        Honestly the person who knows how to farm, raise crops, and process their harvest and meat would probably be better off not defending their herd in that scenario. The groups of people coming from a city to pillage a farm clearly have no idea what they're doing long term and in all likelihood wouldn't survive much longer. Killing and processing am animal isn't a skill most people have. They could easily ruin the meat and would almost certainly waste most of it. And what comes next, unless they know how to hunt as well? All that said, I hope we never see anything close to this ever play out. No matter what the specific scenario that breaks down society for more than a few days, a lot of people would die along the way and who knows what would come next.
        blisterpeanuts 3y ago
        Yes, I hope so too. After a collapse of civilization, likely only highly organized and well armed groups will survive. Families on 10 acres will be killed and their farms stripped of food & tools. The whole scenario does seem unlikely though.
        _heimdall 3y ago
        Agreed it seems unlikely. In the meantime, I really can't worry too much about any specific scenario and outcome. Any major systemic failure leads to uncertainty and what comes next is anyone's guess. Instability is hard to predict, best thing to do is just keep a level head and take it one step at a time.
    - CapstanRoller 3y ago
      The goal isn't to have one person produce all that for themselves, or about back-breaking labor. Permaculture encourages community, not hyper-individualism. It's about working with nature rather than against it, and directing the benefits of it to everyone.
    - vintermann 3y ago
      Doing genealogy, my ancestors were surprisingly good at that sort of thing. Then they learned to read and studied farming practices and stuff and got much better at it. Of course it depends on the size of your backyard, and how long, and critically on trade networks/community.
      - badpun 3y ago
        My grandmother was a subsistence farmer in rural Poland. Their family had a sizable plot of land, farm animals etc. Still, without supplementing income with odd jobs, they'd starve. They were hungry a lot of the time anyway.
  - saalweachter 3y ago
    I mean, resiliency, yes, I am all for resiliency, besides "produce enough food for everyone", "be able to continue producing enough food for everyone despite 5- or 6-sigma disasters" is the most important thing for an agricultural system to do. But, like, why would the agricultural system break down? If that's a possibility in your society, maybe ask why that is and try to fix it, rather than trying to have everyone go back to subsistence farming.
    - CapstanRoller 3y ago
      The agricultural system doesn't need to break down in order for us to realize it's deeply damaging and unsustainable. Ideally we'd realize this and change our ways before breaks down — that's why permaculture exists. You're confusing permaculture with prepping.
      - lmm 3y ago
        > The agricultural system doesn't need to break down in order for us to realize it's deeply damaging and unsustainable. Ideally we'd realize this and change our ways before breaks down — that's why permaculture exists. I'm pretty sure the systemic fix isn't going to be everyone having their own backyard plot. > You're confusing permaculture with prepping. Well, if you're talking about "98% of the US population would starve" that's absolutely prepper talk.
        dogcomplex 3y ago
        Yeah, and even if you're that worried about societal agricultural instability, you're better off spending hobby time to make something like a dead-simple replicatable potato growing kit and distributing it out at a loss. Barring something truly irreversibly apocalyptic, that'd provide most of what's needed until things rebound.
        saalweachter 3y ago
        Or you could get involved in public policy. I assume there are some boffins somewhere in the US's $4 trillion dollar budget -- USDA, probably -- who are coming up with plans for things like "what if wheat is decimated by a blight?" or "what if Missouri is just, all flooded?". Probably a bunch of academics at various Midwest universities, too. There are already grants and other public programs to support community gardens and local agriculture; a community garden should be the perfect place to apply permaculture.
  - throw8383833jj 3y ago
    whether or not you save money and how much you save depends on how much your regular job pays. Sure, a google software engineer will be better off just buying all their food. but someone working a minimum wage job, will be much better off growing their own fruit trees. Here are some quick calculations/back of the napkin. with an average harvest labor of 3 apples per minute, that would produce 180 organic apples per hour or 40 lbs/hour or about 80$ worth of fruit per hour, not including time spend watering, pruning, irrigation and mulching (if done). Organic Berries on the other hand are 4-10 times more expensive, thus even giving some engineers a run for their money!
    - hahamrfunnyguy 3y ago
      Pretty good assessment. I have the potential to be earning a high hourly rate but I don't count my time gardening as a loss because I enjoy it most of the time. I also can grow different things than I can find in the store and that's hard to put a price on.
      - throw8383833jj 3y ago
        plus you know it's organic, whereas the grocery store's "organic" label sometimes has some give to it. Some wheats for example, aren't entirely organic.
        _heimdall 3y ago
        The organic label really ended up pretty meaningless unfortunately. Wish I had a link handy, but Joel Salatin has a few podcast episodes where they dug into all the loopholes. The "product of the USA" label was also meaningless, thankfully it actually just recently got an updated list of requirements that make more sense. Previously you could bring in chicken raised in another country, do a bit of the processing here, and consider it produces in the USA.
  - hahamrfunnyguy 3y ago
    Oh you save a ton of money on produce and it's higher quality. I save seeds and don't have to buy new seed every year. I use woodchips, leaf compost, manure compost and whatever else free I can get close by. My neighbor has a huge pile of woodchips that he's offered so I've been using those instead. This week I harvested morels which the local grocery store sells fresh for like $40/lb. There is a catch, and that catch is you eat whatever is in season. It does require getting creative with recipes. I live in zone 6B and have fresh greens from April - December. Winter squash will store well into the spring. Nuts in the shell will last years. I have black walnuts that I harvested in 2019 that still taste great.
    - jemmyw 3y ago
      That doesn't really count all the money and/or time required to get the garden into that productive state. I've spent a lot of time and money on mine. And I don't mind that, I love working on it and it is both decorative and productive. But everything grown in my garden would have been a lower overall cost to me if I had a house with no garden at all. For example, you listed those free items of compost etc. I also make my own and get freebies wherever I can. But when we moved here the ground was in a poor state so we have paid quite a bit for extra soil compost and mulch. We could have purchased a house with a great existing garden and mature trees - did view one, but then the house itself needed a lot of work. One way or another its expensive. Another example, I could get a lot more free/cheap material if I had a trailer. Suitable second hand trailer around here would be $1000 to $6000. That's a lot of supermarket vegetables.
      - modo_mario 3y ago
        I think it's still important to note that it's not a constant for everyone. I too like the previous commentor got to save money albeit with a lot of initial backbreaking work for a small garden. I think most could with a lot of work, some stingyness. I had shit soil when I started too (long story but I overpayed for it to prevent cracks due to a shit foundation) I ended up getting great soil from a tomato & peppers nursery/seed selling business i had helped out before. They were moving and i helped em out with that again and they have to refresh their mix once every few years anyway or they can harbor diseases that can fuck up their year. I also got a bit of forest soil which was probably not allowed (it's within close distance and i hauled 3 baskets for every new plant i put down) and then a bit of additional soil from a nearby cellar being dug which was shit but i had to raise an additional bit of garden regardless of whether it held veg or lawn. Additionally I got a few trailers of free horse manure that I scouted local 2ndhand sites for because there's too much manure in this country I'm in. I used my dad's trailer who needs it regardless for a lot of other stuff he does. I got some free seconhand fencing mesh for peas to grow on. Cut bamboo my neighbour couldn't get rid of to support it all and some other plants. I now have a secondhand plastic greenhouse. I still don't have plastic for low tunnels yet but anticipated late frost by simply putting cut plastic bottles over my plants. The only thing I actually spent on was a few cheap tools, seeds and a few rare herbs/berry bushes & 2 small fruit trees. Oh and last year I had to spent on water due to persistent draught but this year I catch water from the shed and wood storage into some free secondhand IBC vats. Since then I think I've more than paid back for the help I've been given with the amount of veg I've given away. It has cost me boatloads of time to get started tho but...I've really enjoyed it. My daytime job programming keeps me sitting still away from the sun otherwise.
VBprogrammer 3y ago
I find it fascinating. It's somewhere between a brilliant insight into the human species relationship with the other inhabitants of our planet and utter snake oil sold to new-agey people to be applied in utterly unsuitable conditions.
- CapstanRoller 3y ago
  What part of permaculture is "snake oil"? Please be specific.
rakoo 3y ago
> Beside that, permaculture is nothing more than a framework for systems design. Can be applied to much more than your garden. And people do: http://permacomputing.net/ http://permacomputing.net/
debacle 3y ago
A few people are making money from it, but they're content to make money. The majority of people doing homesteading are: 1. At-home farmers who are eating healthier, but paying for the privilege. 2. People who are quiet because they're actually making very good money doing what they're doing. 3. People who haven't quite grasped that permaculture and/or homesteading are still farming, and farming is still hard work despite how blog-friendly you make it. 4. People trying to sell their "next best thing" marketing to hopeful mommmy bloggers. I am currently a #1 hoping to become a #2 eventually. Online, I predominantly follow #2s and they never try and sell me classes, PDFs, etc, because they're busy making money farming.
- hksh 3y ago
  Could you link to some of the #2s you follow?
  - debacle 3y ago
    People making a living: https://www.youtube.com/@gregjudyregenerativerancher https://www.youtube.com/@gregjudyregenerativerancher https://www.youtube.com/@savvydirtfarmer https://www.youtube.com/@savvydirtfarmer https://www.youtube.com/@JustaFewAcresFarm https://www.youtube.com/@JustaFewAcresFarm https://www.youtube.com/@PeteKanarisGreenDreamsFL https://www.youtube.com/@PeteKanarisGreenDreamsFL https://www.youtube.com/@MikesBackyardNursery https://www.youtube.com/@MikesBackyardNursery https://www.youtube.com/@FraserValleyRoseFarm https://www.youtube.com/@FraserValleyRoseFarm https://www.youtube.com/@edibleacres https://www.youtube.com/@edibleacres https://www.youtube.com/@regenerativeagriculture https://www.youtube.com/@regenerativeagriculture Hobbyists, but doing it right: https://www.youtube.com/@Selfsufficientme https://www.youtube.com/@Selfsufficientme https://www.youtube.com/@simplifygardening https://www.youtube.com/@simplifygardening https://www.youtube.com/@GardenerScott https://www.youtube.com/@GardenerScott https://www.youtube.com/@RedToolHouse https://www.youtube.com/@RedToolHouse https://www.youtube.com/@MySelfReliance https://www.youtube.com/@MySelfReliance Some of these folks do sponsored content, usually widgets or toys or something, but they're pretty up front about it. A few of them I follow religiously, others I choose which videos I'd prefer to watch.
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suoduandao2 3y ago
Applied to much more than your garden is very true. I related all the principles of permaculture to my jiujitsu class. Hard to say if they helped, since I already had been practicing them in a different 'bundle', but definitely speaks to how universal they are in systems with complexity and feedback.
alisson 3y ago
I know a few people that make very good money applying permaculture principles. Not because they are applying the principles, but because they are very good at selling their produce and services. They know how to get to their target audience, specially people with more money to spend. I think this is true for any kind of agriculture or business.
bartmika 3y ago
> Most fun thing about permaculture is the fact that no one is making money from actually applying it but rather just selling courses, books and other media Checkout "Stefan Sobkowiak - The Permaculture Orchard" via his YouTube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@StefanSobkowiak https://www.youtube.com/@StefanSobkowiak. TL;DR, he purchased an apple orchard and started applying permaculture principals to create sustainable business. For example, he took every third apply tree and cut it down to replace with a "Nitrogen Fixing" sort of tree in addition planting other smaller plants and shrubs in between the trees (see "syntropic agroforestry") and overall he's had tremendous success. This would be the best video of him explaining his success with applying permaculture - https://youtu.be/zArUk3THIV0 https://youtu.be/zArUk3THIV0. Another person to checkout is "Shawn Dubrowsky - EdibleAcres" via his YouTube channel at: https://www.youtube.com/@edibleacres https://www.youtube.com/@edibleacres. He basically applies permaculture principals to feed himself/wife on a substance level and runs a tree nursery business.
lukas099 3y ago
How do you know that nobody is making money applying it? It’s not exactly like you would know if they were, would you, since by definition they wouldn’t be advertising it?

11235813213455 3y ago

> no one is making money your comment makes me think of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35847327 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35847327 Permaculture is mostly about growing food for yourself and local friends

wing-_-nuts 3y ago
People joke about the fact that you're not really saving any money doing this vs buying the produce at the store, and they might be right, but it's not about the price of food, it's about learning the knowledge needed to grow your own. It kind of freaks me out that 98% of the US population would starve if our ag system seriously broke down. We could seriously use some resiliency there.
- badpun 3y ago
  Many permaculturists would probably starve too. It's pretty hard for a person with a backyard to consistently produce the 2500+ kcal needed per day, and also process and store it so that it's available outside of harvest season as well.
  - blisterpeanuts 3y ago
    I think some of these folks who are on several acres, and who have poultry, cattle, pigs, and extensive gardens, will likely not starve. But life will be hard, once the fuel and electricity run out, even the ones who are totally off grid with solar and storage batteries. Just basic stuff like screws, pumps, pipes, tools, not to mention medical care, pharmaceuticals etc.
    - oh_sigh 3y ago
      Not starve if left to their own devices. But if they're anywhere even close to a city or town, or a group of other people who don't have those things, they better be prepared to defend it.
      - VBprogrammer 3y ago
        In fairness, some permaculture people talk about this, for example, food forests which can produce an impressive amount of food which a city dweller would not recognise or know how to cook even if they did. If you have a large enough food forest then you could be providing some kind of subsistence living long after someone came for your cows, sheep and pigs.
      - _heimdall 3y ago
        Honestly the person who knows how to farm, raise crops, and process their harvest and meat would probably be better off not defending their herd in that scenario. The groups of people coming from a city to pillage a farm clearly have no idea what they're doing long term and in all likelihood wouldn't survive much longer. Killing and processing am animal isn't a skill most people have. They could easily ruin the meat and would almost certainly waste most of it. And what comes next, unless they know how to hunt as well? All that said, I hope we never see anything close to this ever play out. No matter what the specific scenario that breaks down society for more than a few days, a lot of people would die along the way and who knows what would come next.
        blisterpeanuts 3y ago
        Yes, I hope so too. After a collapse of civilization, likely only highly organized and well armed groups will survive. Families on 10 acres will be killed and their farms stripped of food & tools. The whole scenario does seem unlikely though.
        _heimdall 3y ago
        Agreed it seems unlikely. In the meantime, I really can't worry too much about any specific scenario and outcome. Any major systemic failure leads to uncertainty and what comes next is anyone's guess. Instability is hard to predict, best thing to do is just keep a level head and take it one step at a time.
  - CapstanRoller 3y ago
    The goal isn't to have one person produce all that for themselves, or about back-breaking labor. Permaculture encourages community, not hyper-individualism. It's about working with nature rather than against it, and directing the benefits of it to everyone.
  - vintermann 3y ago
    Doing genealogy, my ancestors were surprisingly good at that sort of thing. Then they learned to read and studied farming practices and stuff and got much better at it. Of course it depends on the size of your backyard, and how long, and critically on trade networks/community.
    - badpun 3y ago
      My grandmother was a subsistence farmer in rural Poland. Their family had a sizable plot of land, farm animals etc. Still, without supplementing income with odd jobs, they'd starve. They were hungry a lot of the time anyway.
- saalweachter 3y ago
  I mean, resiliency, yes, I am all for resiliency, besides "produce enough food for everyone", "be able to continue producing enough food for everyone despite 5- or 6-sigma disasters" is the most important thing for an agricultural system to do. But, like, why would the agricultural system break down? If that's a possibility in your society, maybe ask why that is and try to fix it, rather than trying to have everyone go back to subsistence farming.
  - CapstanRoller 3y ago
    The agricultural system doesn't need to break down in order for us to realize it's deeply damaging and unsustainable. Ideally we'd realize this and change our ways before breaks down — that's why permaculture exists. You're confusing permaculture with prepping.
    - lmm 3y ago
      > The agricultural system doesn't need to break down in order for us to realize it's deeply damaging and unsustainable. Ideally we'd realize this and change our ways before breaks down — that's why permaculture exists. I'm pretty sure the systemic fix isn't going to be everyone having their own backyard plot. > You're confusing permaculture with prepping. Well, if you're talking about "98% of the US population would starve" that's absolutely prepper talk.
      - dogcomplex 3y ago
        Yeah, and even if you're that worried about societal agricultural instability, you're better off spending hobby time to make something like a dead-simple replicatable potato growing kit and distributing it out at a loss. Barring something truly irreversibly apocalyptic, that'd provide most of what's needed until things rebound.
        saalweachter 3y ago
        Or you could get involved in public policy. I assume there are some boffins somewhere in the US's $4 trillion dollar budget -- USDA, probably -- who are coming up with plans for things like "what if wheat is decimated by a blight?" or "what if Missouri is just, all flooded?". Probably a bunch of academics at various Midwest universities, too. There are already grants and other public programs to support community gardens and local agriculture; a community garden should be the perfect place to apply permaculture.
- throw8383833jj 3y ago
  whether or not you save money and how much you save depends on how much your regular job pays. Sure, a google software engineer will be better off just buying all their food. but someone working a minimum wage job, will be much better off growing their own fruit trees. Here are some quick calculations/back of the napkin. with an average harvest labor of 3 apples per minute, that would produce 180 organic apples per hour or 40 lbs/hour or about 80$ worth of fruit per hour, not including time spend watering, pruning, irrigation and mulching (if done). Organic Berries on the other hand are 4-10 times more expensive, thus even giving some engineers a run for their money!
  - hahamrfunnyguy 3y ago
    Pretty good assessment. I have the potential to be earning a high hourly rate but I don't count my time gardening as a loss because I enjoy it most of the time. I also can grow different things than I can find in the store and that's hard to put a price on.
    - throw8383833jj 3y ago
      plus you know it's organic, whereas the grocery store's "organic" label sometimes has some give to it. Some wheats for example, aren't entirely organic.
      - _heimdall 3y ago
        The organic label really ended up pretty meaningless unfortunately. Wish I had a link handy, but Joel Salatin has a few podcast episodes where they dug into all the loopholes. The "product of the USA" label was also meaningless, thankfully it actually just recently got an updated list of requirements that make more sense. Previously you could bring in chicken raised in another country, do a bit of the processing here, and consider it produces in the USA.
- hahamrfunnyguy 3y ago
  Oh you save a ton of money on produce and it's higher quality. I save seeds and don't have to buy new seed every year. I use woodchips, leaf compost, manure compost and whatever else free I can get close by. My neighbor has a huge pile of woodchips that he's offered so I've been using those instead. This week I harvested morels which the local grocery store sells fresh for like $40/lb. There is a catch, and that catch is you eat whatever is in season. It does require getting creative with recipes. I live in zone 6B and have fresh greens from April - December. Winter squash will store well into the spring. Nuts in the shell will last years. I have black walnuts that I harvested in 2019 that still taste great.
  - jemmyw 3y ago
    That doesn't really count all the money and/or time required to get the garden into that productive state. I've spent a lot of time and money on mine. And I don't mind that, I love working on it and it is both decorative and productive. But everything grown in my garden would have been a lower overall cost to me if I had a house with no garden at all. For example, you listed those free items of compost etc. I also make my own and get freebies wherever I can. But when we moved here the ground was in a poor state so we have paid quite a bit for extra soil compost and mulch. We could have purchased a house with a great existing garden and mature trees - did view one, but then the house itself needed a lot of work. One way or another its expensive. Another example, I could get a lot more free/cheap material if I had a trailer. Suitable second hand trailer around here would be $1000 to $6000. That's a lot of supermarket vegetables.
    - modo_mario 3y ago
      I think it's still important to note that it's not a constant for everyone. I too like the previous commentor got to save money albeit with a lot of initial backbreaking work for a small garden. I think most could with a lot of work, some stingyness. I had shit soil when I started too (long story but I overpayed for it to prevent cracks due to a shit foundation) I ended up getting great soil from a tomato & peppers nursery/seed selling business i had helped out before. They were moving and i helped em out with that again and they have to refresh their mix once every few years anyway or they can harbor diseases that can fuck up their year. I also got a bit of forest soil which was probably not allowed (it's within close distance and i hauled 3 baskets for every new plant i put down) and then a bit of additional soil from a nearby cellar being dug which was shit but i had to raise an additional bit of garden regardless of whether it held veg or lawn. Additionally I got a few trailers of free horse manure that I scouted local 2ndhand sites for because there's too much manure in this country I'm in. I used my dad's trailer who needs it regardless for a lot of other stuff he does. I got some free seconhand fencing mesh for peas to grow on. Cut bamboo my neighbour couldn't get rid of to support it all and some other plants. I now have a secondhand plastic greenhouse. I still don't have plastic for low tunnels yet but anticipated late frost by simply putting cut plastic bottles over my plants. The only thing I actually spent on was a few cheap tools, seeds and a few rare herbs/berry bushes & 2 small fruit trees. Oh and last year I had to spent on water due to persistent draught but this year I catch water from the shed and wood storage into some free secondhand IBC vats. Since then I think I've more than paid back for the help I've been given with the amount of veg I've given away. It has cost me boatloads of time to get started tho but...I've really enjoyed it. My daytime job programming keeps me sitting still away from the sun otherwise.

VBprogrammer 3y ago

I find it fascinating. It's somewhere between a brilliant insight into the human species relationship with the other inhabitants of our planet and utter snake oil sold to new-agey people to be applied in utterly unsuitable conditions.

CapstanRoller 3y ago
What part of permaculture is "snake oil"? Please be specific.

rakoo 3y ago

> Beside that, permaculture is nothing more than a framework for systems design. Can be applied to much more than your garden. And people do: http://permacomputing.net/ http://permacomputing.net/

debacle 3y ago

A few people are making money from it, but they're content to make money. The majority of people doing homesteading are: 1. At-home farmers who are eating healthier, but paying for the privilege. 2. People who are quiet because they're actually making very good money doing what they're doing. 3. People who haven't quite grasped that permaculture and/or homesteading are still farming, and farming is still hard work despite how blog-friendly you make it. 4. People trying to sell their "next best thing" marketing to hopeful mommmy bloggers. I am currently a #1 hoping to become a #2 eventually. Online, I predominantly follow #2s and they never try and sell me classes, PDFs, etc, because they're busy making money farming.

hksh 3y ago
Could you link to some of the #2s you follow?
- debacle 3y ago
  People making a living: https://www.youtube.com/@gregjudyregenerativerancher https://www.youtube.com/@gregjudyregenerativerancher https://www.youtube.com/@savvydirtfarmer https://www.youtube.com/@savvydirtfarmer https://www.youtube.com/@JustaFewAcresFarm https://www.youtube.com/@JustaFewAcresFarm https://www.youtube.com/@PeteKanarisGreenDreamsFL https://www.youtube.com/@PeteKanarisGreenDreamsFL https://www.youtube.com/@MikesBackyardNursery https://www.youtube.com/@MikesBackyardNursery https://www.youtube.com/@FraserValleyRoseFarm https://www.youtube.com/@FraserValleyRoseFarm https://www.youtube.com/@edibleacres https://www.youtube.com/@edibleacres https://www.youtube.com/@regenerativeagriculture https://www.youtube.com/@regenerativeagriculture Hobbyists, but doing it right: https://www.youtube.com/@Selfsufficientme https://www.youtube.com/@Selfsufficientme https://www.youtube.com/@simplifygardening https://www.youtube.com/@simplifygardening https://www.youtube.com/@GardenerScott https://www.youtube.com/@GardenerScott https://www.youtube.com/@RedToolHouse https://www.youtube.com/@RedToolHouse https://www.youtube.com/@MySelfReliance https://www.youtube.com/@MySelfReliance Some of these folks do sponsored content, usually widgets or toys or something, but they're pretty up front about it. A few of them I follow religiously, others I choose which videos I'd prefer to watch.

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suoduandao2 3y ago

Applied to much more than your garden is very true. I related all the principles of permaculture to my jiujitsu class. Hard to say if they helped, since I already had been practicing them in a different 'bundle', but definitely speaks to how universal they are in systems with complexity and feedback.

alisson 3y ago

I know a few people that make very good money applying permaculture principles. Not because they are applying the principles, but because they are very good at selling their produce and services. They know how to get to their target audience, specially people with more money to spend. I think this is true for any kind of agriculture or business.

bartmika 3y ago

> Most fun thing about permaculture is the fact that no one is making money from actually applying it but rather just selling courses, books and other media Checkout "Stefan Sobkowiak - The Permaculture Orchard" via his YouTube channel at https://www.youtube.com/@StefanSobkowiak https://www.youtube.com/@StefanSobkowiak. TL;DR, he purchased an apple orchard and started applying permaculture principals to create sustainable business. For example, he took every third apply tree and cut it down to replace with a "Nitrogen Fixing" sort of tree in addition planting other smaller plants and shrubs in between the trees (see "syntropic agroforestry") and overall he's had tremendous success. This would be the best video of him explaining his success with applying permaculture - https://youtu.be/zArUk3THIV0 https://youtu.be/zArUk3THIV0. Another person to checkout is "Shawn Dubrowsky - EdibleAcres" via his YouTube channel at: https://www.youtube.com/@edibleacres https://www.youtube.com/@edibleacres. He basically applies permaculture principals to feed himself/wife on a substance level and runs a tree nursery business.

lukas099 3y ago

How do you know that nobody is making money applying it? It’s not exactly like you would know if they were, would you, since by definition they wouldn’t be advertising it?