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I honestly don't understand responses like this. We're presented with systemic issues, and your "solution" is just "personal responsibility"? Something which ha

I honestly don't understand responses like this. We're presented with systemic issues, and your "solution" is just "personal responsibility"? Something which has demonstrably failed and lead us to the situation we're in today? Do you often think that doing more of the same thing will lead to different results? Since we're in a technology forum. Let's say you're a product owner and your app is suffering from severe performance issues. Would a "solution" of telling the developers of the app "just write code more efficiently! Use Google if you have to!" be acceptable to you? Do you think it would produce the results you want?

rixthefox 3y ago
I think a better analogy to use would be a very slow loading app. Say your app takes 5 minutes to load the first page and 1 minute to switch between pages after that. Instead of blaming the developers, blame the users for expecting too much of the app. Personal responsibility and all that. It's the users fault they are using the app during peak times. If they really needed access to X part of the app they should have done it before it got busy.
- tstrimple 3y ago
  I used the app dev side because I think it's more illustrative. There are various teams with various competing priorities who have collectively developed a product which is horribly slow. No individual developer is at fault. Some are efficient with their code, and some are less so. But there is no architecture team or mature SDLC to handle cross cutting concerns or a foundational platform for everyone to build from. Everyone is free to do their own thing and write code the way they want use whatever standards they can find on Google. In that world, just telling the devs to write more efficient code is insufficient to correct the course. The systemic problems that have developed require systemic solutions. A blanket "just do better" has never been useful to anyone.
Gordonjcp 3y ago
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- tstrimple 3y ago
  And your "solution" is completely meaningless because it's been proven to not work across societies. It's like saying the solution to world hunger is easy. Everyone should just feed themselves! Want world peace? Everyone should just be more peaceful! It's completely useless rhetoric with absolutely no value in the conversation. Are you actually incapable of looking at these things as systems with a large number of variables and broad societal impact?
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rixthefox 3y ago

I think a better analogy to use would be a very slow loading app. Say your app takes 5 minutes to load the first page and 1 minute to switch between pages after that. Instead of blaming the developers, blame the users for expecting too much of the app. Personal responsibility and all that. It's the users fault they are using the app during peak times. If they really needed access to X part of the app they should have done it before it got busy.

tstrimple 3y ago
I used the app dev side because I think it's more illustrative. There are various teams with various competing priorities who have collectively developed a product which is horribly slow. No individual developer is at fault. Some are efficient with their code, and some are less so. But there is no architecture team or mature SDLC to handle cross cutting concerns or a foundational platform for everyone to build from. Everyone is free to do their own thing and write code the way they want use whatever standards they can find on Google. In that world, just telling the devs to write more efficient code is insufficient to correct the course. The systemic problems that have developed require systemic solutions. A blanket "just do better" has never been useful to anyone.

Gordonjcp 3y ago

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tstrimple 3y ago
And your "solution" is completely meaningless because it's been proven to not work across societies. It's like saying the solution to world hunger is easy. Everyone should just feed themselves! Want world peace? Everyone should just be more peaceful! It's completely useless rhetoric with absolutely no value in the conversation. Are you actually incapable of looking at these things as systems with a large number of variables and broad societal impact?
- Gordonjcp 3y ago
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