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Disturbing to see so many in favor of removing our bedrock rights because they are afraid of a tool. Nobody wants to end up like the UK or Australia in terms of

Disturbing to see so many in favor of removing our bedrock rights because they are afraid of a tool. Nobody wants to end up like the UK or Australia in terms of reduced rights. That was literally the impetus for the creation of the USA.

bitcharmer 3y ago
What reduced rights are you talking about?
- 6510 3y ago
  The guns are there to make sure the public servants don't become the master. At least, that was the idea.
  - 11101010001100 3y ago
    Doesn't seem to be working does it?
    - 6510 3y ago
      To estimate that we would need some unit or scale of how bad things can possibly get. I don't want to think about it.
Freedom2 3y ago
Australia's reduced rights was the impetus for the creation of the USA?
plugger 3y ago
Tiring to see so many Americans continually ignore the fact that guns, shooting enthusiasts, and hunters all still exist in Australia. Just a simple google search would reveal shooting clubs exist across this continent. Sure, shooters are not out there with a full auto Barrett 50 (which, funnily enough is now Australian owned) going rock and roll on the local fauna. But guns exist here, they're in people's homes, and this is a fact.
- rstuart4133 3y ago
  Guns, shooting enthusiasts and some people owning lots of guns (I know someone who lives in Brisbane, Australia, with 40 in his home) all exist in many countries. Yet the USA is the singularly the gun death problem. It's pretty clear the difference isn't the presence of guns, or the "restrictions" (in Brisbane you need a licence that boils down to knowing gun safety), it's an attitude. The attitude in the US seems to be it's perfectly acceptable to use a gun for self defence, up to and including killing someone. In the rest of the world we are happy to delegate killing people for crimes to the government, so under no circumstances is it legal to threaten someone with a gun, let alone shoot them. Accordingly the rest of the world's population is happy to have fairly mild restrictions on gun use that allows their use for anything (sport, farming, game hunting, ...) bar personal protection from other people. I suspect the person you are respond would disagree violently on this one point. To them the entire point of owning a gun is self defence. They insist they must have the right to kill someone.
  - plugger 3y ago
    I agree. As an expat yank I've seen both sides. I was raised in a gun heavy household and had a loaded Sig P229 and MAK-90 in my bedroom at 18. Moving to Australia and realising I didn't like to live life with 'my head on a swivel' was quite a revelation. And the laws around proportional use of force down here are a refreshing change to the 'shoot the person and drag them in your house to claim self defense' American mentality. You'd end up being charged with murder doing that here, and rightfully so imho.

bitcharmer 3y ago

What reduced rights are you talking about?

6510 3y ago
The guns are there to make sure the public servants don't become the master. At least, that was the idea.
- 11101010001100 3y ago
  Doesn't seem to be working does it?
  - 6510 3y ago
    To estimate that we would need some unit or scale of how bad things can possibly get. I don't want to think about it.

Freedom2 3y ago

Australia's reduced rights was the impetus for the creation of the USA?

plugger 3y ago

Tiring to see so many Americans continually ignore the fact that guns, shooting enthusiasts, and hunters all still exist in Australia. Just a simple google search would reveal shooting clubs exist across this continent. Sure, shooters are not out there with a full auto Barrett 50 (which, funnily enough is now Australian owned) going rock and roll on the local fauna. But guns exist here, they're in people's homes, and this is a fact.

rstuart4133 3y ago
Guns, shooting enthusiasts and some people owning lots of guns (I know someone who lives in Brisbane, Australia, with 40 in his home) all exist in many countries. Yet the USA is the singularly the gun death problem. It's pretty clear the difference isn't the presence of guns, or the "restrictions" (in Brisbane you need a licence that boils down to knowing gun safety), it's an attitude. The attitude in the US seems to be it's perfectly acceptable to use a gun for self defence, up to and including killing someone. In the rest of the world we are happy to delegate killing people for crimes to the government, so under no circumstances is it legal to threaten someone with a gun, let alone shoot them. Accordingly the rest of the world's population is happy to have fairly mild restrictions on gun use that allows their use for anything (sport, farming, game hunting, ...) bar personal protection from other people. I suspect the person you are respond would disagree violently on this one point. To them the entire point of owning a gun is self defence. They insist they must have the right to kill someone.
- plugger 3y ago
  I agree. As an expat yank I've seen both sides. I was raised in a gun heavy household and had a loaded Sig P229 and MAK-90 in my bedroom at 18. Moving to Australia and realising I didn't like to live life with 'my head on a swivel' was quite a revelation. And the laws around proportional use of force down here are a refreshing change to the 'shoot the person and drag them in your house to claim self defense' American mentality. You'd end up being charged with murder doing that here, and rightfully so imho.