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Do you have evidence for that because psychologists disagree with you. But let's pretend they don't. I'm all for universal mental health care. How does that he

Do you have evidence for that because psychologists disagree with you. But let's pretend they don't. I'm all for universal mental health care. How does that help? What can we do to curtail gun violence, if we take the stance that it's a mental health issue? Evaluate everyone before letting them buy guns? Sold! Hell, I'll give mine back (after I've damaged them beyond use so no one can have them in the future). We can play "Is it mental health?" all day but even if it is and we're going through a period of collective psychosis, I don't see how addressing mental health could ever really help here.

mindslight 3y ago
Evidence for what, specifically? It's pretty obvious that society is having a major mental health crisis, likely caused by social media, and this isn't particularly controversial when talked about in any other context. But in this context, the groupthink of one political tribe is to focus on extremist solutions about the tools themselves as part of the culture war, all but guaranteeing that nothing will really change. And yes, I specifically said that mental illness should make you ineligible to possess firearms (isn't this already federal law or am I getting it confused with state laws?). There likely needs to be more implementation details to make this restriction actually effective. And there needs to be buy in from actual gun owners to police their own communities, rather than it being seen as more top-down nanny state regulations to be ignored. This used to be part of common sense, but especially with the rise of social media, it isn't so common any more.
- igetspam 3y ago
  What you're saying, in the specific and the broad sense (beyond the scope of this conversation) is controversial. You're making a very bold claim. Can you share the data? Collective mental health across a single geography would be a fascinating read. Again, let's pretend you're right. How do you bar someone from buying a gun because of mental health issues that are undiagnosed? Do we do a psych eval as part of purchasing a firearm? There's no part of common sense that allowed your local community to strip guns from you because then you'd be breaking a law by trying to steal from somebody and you'd probably get shot. We are talking about people with mental health issues that, in this scenario, have violent tendencies. I honestly see any way that declaring a mental health state of emergency can actually do anything to stop mass shootings unless it's also paired with stopping fun sales, strict red flag laws and legal confiscation of existing weapons. Happy to hear an implementation plan that isn't just thoughts and prayers. Abbot (R, TX) says he's all in on mental health now, so let's see what that piece of sh comes up with.

mindslight 3y ago

Evidence for what, specifically? It's pretty obvious that society is having a major mental health crisis, likely caused by social media, and this isn't particularly controversial when talked about in any other context. But in this context, the groupthink of one political tribe is to focus on extremist solutions about the tools themselves as part of the culture war, all but guaranteeing that nothing will really change. And yes, I specifically said that mental illness should make you ineligible to possess firearms (isn't this already federal law or am I getting it confused with state laws?). There likely needs to be more implementation details to make this restriction actually effective. And there needs to be buy in from actual gun owners to police their own communities, rather than it being seen as more top-down nanny state regulations to be ignored. This used to be part of common sense, but especially with the rise of social media, it isn't so common any more.

igetspam 3y ago
What you're saying, in the specific and the broad sense (beyond the scope of this conversation) is controversial. You're making a very bold claim. Can you share the data? Collective mental health across a single geography would be a fascinating read. Again, let's pretend you're right. How do you bar someone from buying a gun because of mental health issues that are undiagnosed? Do we do a psych eval as part of purchasing a firearm? There's no part of common sense that allowed your local community to strip guns from you because then you'd be breaking a law by trying to steal from somebody and you'd probably get shot. We are talking about people with mental health issues that, in this scenario, have violent tendencies. I honestly see any way that declaring a mental health state of emergency can actually do anything to stop mass shootings unless it's also paired with stopping fun sales, strict red flag laws and legal confiscation of existing weapons. Happy to hear an implementation plan that isn't just thoughts and prayers. Abbot (R, TX) says he's all in on mental health now, so let's see what that piece of sh comes up with.