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Tony’s story is a story of untreated bipolar disorder, which often is accompanied by addictions, narcissism, etc. People with bipolar can ride their mania to g

Tony’s story is a story of untreated bipolar disorder, which often is accompanied by addictions, narcissism, etc. People with bipolar can ride their mania to great success, but as they tilt into unreality they damage themselves. Seeking to reclaim the mania during the depressive phase they turn to drugs, which can induce a fleeting mania. The story of Tony is more a story of the opportunists who exploited his mental illness and fed his mania for their own profit. It’s not an indictment of tech, moguls, myths, or whatever. It’s an indictment of the state of mental health care in the US and the unfettered greed of our fellow man.

croes 4y ago
Was there a diagnosis for bipolar ot is just because he was an addict and an narcissist? Like Musk's autism, was it ever officially diagnosed or is it just an excuse for his behavior.
- fnordpiglet 4y ago
  Like most mental health issues they don’t generally discuss the specific diagnosis. But reading in this article and others they discuss manic behavior as well as periods of deep depression. That’s effectively bipolar. The disorder comes about when the mania and depression results in dysfunction, such as addiction. The narcissism comes about because of the intense self interest in both the manic phase and the depressive phase. But I’ve not found a specific diagnosis disclosure anywhere - just as I said explicit discussion of mania and depression. Musk has disclosed specifically he is bipolar. It’s a better explanation of his behavior than autism. The issue is that people with bipolar it’s almost diagnostic they refuse or don’t comply with treatment even when acknowledging their disorder. When you are wealthy you can get away with that, and people around you will even feed your mania to their own benefit.
  - skeeter2020 4y ago
    >> But reading in this article and others they discuss manic behavior as well as periods of deep depression. Ah yes, like all great therapists a diagnosis based on reading 3rd through 6th hand articles. Or maybe just an excuse for being a bad human being.
    - fnordpiglet 4y ago
      What specifically did Tony do that was bad? It was almost universally aspiring to do good, just in a bizarre and clearly mentally ill way. You’ll note in every biography and article and discussion of the guy they pin his problems on unnamed mental health issues, with specific references to periods of mania and depression. You don’t have to be a genius to identify bipolar from that description. That’s literally the diagnostic definition of bipolar. He was almost certainly Bipolar I, but 100% Bipolar II. The diagnostic criteria isn’t particularly involved and is essentially marked by mania and depression of varying severity: https://floridabhcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Bipolar-Disorders_Adult-Guidelines-2019-2020.pdf https://floridabhcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Bipol...

croes 4y ago

Was there a diagnosis for bipolar ot is just because he was an addict and an narcissist? Like Musk's autism, was it ever officially diagnosed or is it just an excuse for his behavior.

fnordpiglet 4y ago
Like most mental health issues they don’t generally discuss the specific diagnosis. But reading in this article and others they discuss manic behavior as well as periods of deep depression. That’s effectively bipolar. The disorder comes about when the mania and depression results in dysfunction, such as addiction. The narcissism comes about because of the intense self interest in both the manic phase and the depressive phase. But I’ve not found a specific diagnosis disclosure anywhere - just as I said explicit discussion of mania and depression. Musk has disclosed specifically he is bipolar. It’s a better explanation of his behavior than autism. The issue is that people with bipolar it’s almost diagnostic they refuse or don’t comply with treatment even when acknowledging their disorder. When you are wealthy you can get away with that, and people around you will even feed your mania to their own benefit.
- skeeter2020 4y ago
  >> But reading in this article and others they discuss manic behavior as well as periods of deep depression. Ah yes, like all great therapists a diagnosis based on reading 3rd through 6th hand articles. Or maybe just an excuse for being a bad human being.
  - fnordpiglet 4y ago
    What specifically did Tony do that was bad? It was almost universally aspiring to do good, just in a bizarre and clearly mentally ill way. You’ll note in every biography and article and discussion of the guy they pin his problems on unnamed mental health issues, with specific references to periods of mania and depression. You don’t have to be a genius to identify bipolar from that description. That’s literally the diagnostic definition of bipolar. He was almost certainly Bipolar I, but 100% Bipolar II. The diagnostic criteria isn’t particularly involved and is essentially marked by mania and depression of varying severity: https://floridabhcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Bipolar-Disorders_Adult-Guidelines-2019-2020.pdf https://floridabhcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Bipol...