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Mike Abbott was kicked out of Apple where he didn’t make any meaningful contribution. Why GM is picking him up? Another wasteful move.

eganist 3y ago
> where he didn’t make any meaningful contribution. Super curious about this, what more can you share?
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- throwaway63728 3y ago
  Throwaway, It was chaotic, plenty of technical and leadership missteps. But at the core, he was incapable of confronting deeper issues. The proficiency of Apple does not lie in cloud or infrastructure. It's a simple truth.
  - AlotOfReading 3y ago
    You can certainly argue that Apple isn't good at cloud or infra in the same way Google and Amazon are (which would still be a weird argument), but it seems undeniable that cloud and cloud infra is a fundamental part of their product offering. Things like universal sync, iCloud, email, etc are important parts of the value prop for Apple devices.
  - wlesieutre 3y ago
    From a user perspective, Apple had a rough time with "cloud" for a long time (iTools, .Mac, MobileMe) and the recent era of iCloud feels like they've finally gotten their cloud services in a good direction. It does what I need it to.
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spacedcowboy 3y ago
This is utter bullshit, as a cloud Apple employee. Mike was an excellent leader in iCloud, championed a whole bunch of new tech, and took a failing business and made it massively profitable. I don't think anyone in Eddy's org was happy to see him go.
- paganel 3y ago
  Sure hope iCloud is “massively profitable”, they’ve been spamming me non-stop with their messages both on my phone and on my laptop ever since my cloud hardware disk space there (which I had never asked for in the first place) got “full” or such some time ago. Otherwise great hardware products, both the Apple phone and the Apple laptop.
  - vuln 3y ago
    Well for other users they might wonder WHY their data is no longer being backed up. Hell they may not even know they hit capacity until the alert. Should users be able to dismiss the alert? Yes. Should the alert pop back up at a later time to remind the user that their data is still not being backed up? Yes.
  - freedomben 3y ago
    > Otherwise great hardware products, both the Apple phone and the Apple laptop. as a person who (prior to the framework laptop) would like to buy macbooks and put linux on them (love apple hardware, hate their software and philosophical approach to things) I used to say this a lot, but I'm stopping. As has become clear to me through conversation, there is no hardware without software in Apple's approach/opinion. It's not really a computer, it's more of an appliance. You don't buy a toaster and be unhappy that you can't put Linux on it. As engineers we like to separate software and hardware, but that's just not how Apple works. You can't just buy in to the hardware, because the hardware and the software are a complete unit. In other words, we've been looking at things the wrong way and once you view it correctly Apple's approach starts to make a lot of sense. If you don't agree with this view, then (as I've been told many times) you're not the target market.
  - tmpz22 3y ago

eganist 3y ago

> where he didn’t make any meaningful contribution. Super curious about this, what more can you share?

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throwaway63728 3y ago
Throwaway, It was chaotic, plenty of technical and leadership missteps. But at the core, he was incapable of confronting deeper issues. The proficiency of Apple does not lie in cloud or infrastructure. It's a simple truth.
- AlotOfReading 3y ago
  You can certainly argue that Apple isn't good at cloud or infra in the same way Google and Amazon are (which would still be a weird argument), but it seems undeniable that cloud and cloud infra is a fundamental part of their product offering. Things like universal sync, iCloud, email, etc are important parts of the value prop for Apple devices.
- wlesieutre 3y ago
  From a user perspective, Apple had a rough time with "cloud" for a long time (iTools, .Mac, MobileMe) and the recent era of iCloud feels like they've finally gotten their cloud services in a good direction. It does what I need it to.
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spacedcowboy 3y ago

This is utter bullshit, as a cloud Apple employee. Mike was an excellent leader in iCloud, championed a whole bunch of new tech, and took a failing business and made it massively profitable. I don't think anyone in Eddy's org was happy to see him go.

paganel 3y ago
Sure hope iCloud is “massively profitable”, they’ve been spamming me non-stop with their messages both on my phone and on my laptop ever since my cloud hardware disk space there (which I had never asked for in the first place) got “full” or such some time ago. Otherwise great hardware products, both the Apple phone and the Apple laptop.
- vuln 3y ago
  Well for other users they might wonder WHY their data is no longer being backed up. Hell they may not even know they hit capacity until the alert. Should users be able to dismiss the alert? Yes. Should the alert pop back up at a later time to remind the user that their data is still not being backed up? Yes.
- freedomben 3y ago
  > Otherwise great hardware products, both the Apple phone and the Apple laptop. as a person who (prior to the framework laptop) would like to buy macbooks and put linux on them (love apple hardware, hate their software and philosophical approach to things) I used to say this a lot, but I'm stopping. As has become clear to me through conversation, there is no hardware without software in Apple's approach/opinion. It's not really a computer, it's more of an appliance. You don't buy a toaster and be unhappy that you can't put Linux on it. As engineers we like to separate software and hardware, but that's just not how Apple works. You can't just buy in to the hardware, because the hardware and the software are a complete unit. In other words, we've been looking at things the wrong way and once you view it correctly Apple's approach starts to make a lot of sense. If you don't agree with this view, then (as I've been told many times) you're not the target market.
- tmpz22 3y ago