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> Even back in time when "snake" was the best mobile "app" around (so old nokia times), Yeah, it's not 1998 anymore. Taking away Snake is not the same as takin

> Even back in time when "snake" was the best mobile "app" around (so old nokia times), Yeah, it's not 1998 anymore. Taking away Snake is not the same as taking away a student's entire social network. It's a hard problem, certainly, and we need to find solutions for it. But the situation has changed and the old solutions aren't acceptable anymore.

yamtaddle 3y ago
> Taking away Snake is not the same as taking away a student's entire social network. ... during the school day. When they probably have several opportunities to talk IRL with the same kids. Hardly traumatic.
throwaway22032 3y ago
Dude you're in class. It's not taking away the entire social network. It's segregating work and play time. If anything, we need to teach kids to lean in to the people around them, not wander off into Internet rabbit holes.
- yamtaddle 3y ago
  > I'm actually embarrassed on behalf of any parents that think this way. You're setting your children up for all manner of failures when they hit the real world. I don't have hard data on this, but from what I've observed there's a class divide, going about the way you'd expect. Fussellian middle class and lower's the experimental group, Fussellian upper-middle and higher is the control group. Painting with a wide brush, sure, but that seems to be the state of things. Parents' behavior and attitudes seem to differ above and below those lines, as do those of the kids, including how they treat kids who don't have phones.
  - throwaway22032 3y ago
    I like this - the proletarians as the experimental group and the upper classes as the control. I think I'm going to use that.
- throw9away6 3y ago
  We should but many schools are so behind on teaching stimulating info that kids are bored out of their minds. You got future engineers sitting in class with future car wash employees, and classes are taught to the standard of a struggling car wash employee
ajsnigrutin 3y ago
They have their "internet social networks" before and after class, just not during. If they still use it during, being without until a parent can pick it up is an apropriate punishment. Also, the kids are _in school_, their social networks are sitting in chairs, walking down the halls and eating in the cafeterias all around them. 45 minutes without checking instagram won't kill anyone.
- coldpie 3y ago
  > Also, the kids are _in school_, their social networks are sitting in chairs, walking down the halls and eating in the cafeterias all around them. In my experience, not really. Many young people these days are extremely online, chatting with people from all over the country & world, in addition to their local friend group. It's pretty wild. > 45 minutes without checking instagram won't kill anyone. Hey, see, we're already converging on a compromise solution :) The OP of this thread started with confiscating the phone for a full day, here we've reduced it to just in-class sessions. It's a tough problem! I don't know the answer! I don't think anyone does. What rankles me is people jumping to, "it's just a GameBoy/Snake, just shove it in a drawer for 8 hours," as the OP of this thread did. That stance is completely divorced from the real world.
  - throwaway22032 3y ago
    That's a gross misinterpretation of what I said and I suspect that you know it. Phones if used in class would be confiscated for the whole day. That doesn't mean that they couldn't be used during breaks under normal circumstances.
  - ajsnigrutin 3y ago
    Yes, if they use it in class (during a 45minute lecture (default lecture length here)) it should be confiscated for the whole day (or whenever parents can pick it up). They're obviously not responsible enough to keep the phone with them and not-use it during class (to be able to follow the lecture during that time).

yamtaddle 3y ago

> Taking away Snake is not the same as taking away a student's entire social network. ... during the school day. When they probably have several opportunities to talk IRL with the same kids. Hardly traumatic.

throwaway22032 3y ago

Dude you're in class. It's not taking away the entire social network. It's segregating work and play time. If anything, we need to teach kids to lean in to the people around them, not wander off into Internet rabbit holes.

yamtaddle 3y ago
> I'm actually embarrassed on behalf of any parents that think this way. You're setting your children up for all manner of failures when they hit the real world. I don't have hard data on this, but from what I've observed there's a class divide, going about the way you'd expect. Fussellian middle class and lower's the experimental group, Fussellian upper-middle and higher is the control group. Painting with a wide brush, sure, but that seems to be the state of things. Parents' behavior and attitudes seem to differ above and below those lines, as do those of the kids, including how they treat kids who don't have phones.
- throwaway22032 3y ago
  I like this - the proletarians as the experimental group and the upper classes as the control. I think I'm going to use that.
throw9away6 3y ago
We should but many schools are so behind on teaching stimulating info that kids are bored out of their minds. You got future engineers sitting in class with future car wash employees, and classes are taught to the standard of a struggling car wash employee

ajsnigrutin 3y ago

They have their "internet social networks" before and after class, just not during. If they still use it during, being without until a parent can pick it up is an apropriate punishment. Also, the kids are _in school_, their social networks are sitting in chairs, walking down the halls and eating in the cafeterias all around them. 45 minutes without checking instagram won't kill anyone.

coldpie 3y ago
> Also, the kids are _in school_, their social networks are sitting in chairs, walking down the halls and eating in the cafeterias all around them. In my experience, not really. Many young people these days are extremely online, chatting with people from all over the country & world, in addition to their local friend group. It's pretty wild. > 45 minutes without checking instagram won't kill anyone. Hey, see, we're already converging on a compromise solution :) The OP of this thread started with confiscating the phone for a full day, here we've reduced it to just in-class sessions. It's a tough problem! I don't know the answer! I don't think anyone does. What rankles me is people jumping to, "it's just a GameBoy/Snake, just shove it in a drawer for 8 hours," as the OP of this thread did. That stance is completely divorced from the real world.
- throwaway22032 3y ago
  That's a gross misinterpretation of what I said and I suspect that you know it. Phones if used in class would be confiscated for the whole day. That doesn't mean that they couldn't be used during breaks under normal circumstances.
- ajsnigrutin 3y ago
  Yes, if they use it in class (during a 45minute lecture (default lecture length here)) it should be confiscated for the whole day (or whenever parents can pick it up). They're obviously not responsible enough to keep the phone with them and not-use it during class (to be able to follow the lecture during that time).