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> The only JavaScript is that which is necessary to run the site No JS is required to 'run' a site. I can and do use Hackernews without ever requiring JS to be

> The only JavaScript is that which is necessary to run the site No JS is required to 'run' a site. I can and do use Hackernews without ever requiring JS to be enabled. Everything works via POST, it's quick and simple. Yes. A Non-JS world is painful, and there are many difficulties, but ensuring your site works with noscript would do the world a huge favor.

throwaway50603 3y ago
You have no idea what site is it. Perhaps it's an interactive game or a questionnaire. POSTing that data to a server is much worse than running some clientside code. Your post is not productive at all.
- pessimizer 3y ago
  > You’re right, JavaScript wouldn’t be necessary for my website. I agree that getting rid of it would increase accessibility.
  - throwaway50603 3y ago
    Yeah, but you didn't know that when you wrote that comment.
eat_veggies 3y ago
If it's something like a resource locator or questionnaire, then doing the processing locally in JS is in fact better for privacy than sending personal data over the network. It's nice when websites work without JS but you are a deeply unserious engineer if you think that there are no tradeoffs involved.
- birdyrooster 3y ago
  Asceticism isn’t supposed to necessarily make sense to those outside the bubble.
- gcr 3y ago
  I could see the idea of building a quiz or something with CSS and named anchors (links within the document). No JavaScript, everything all on one .html, and it would work on elinks! But yeah, that’s certainly a bit of a novelty.
  - reaperman 3y ago
    Isn't it possible to set cookies with CSS anyways? https://dev.to/astrit/how-to-set-a-cookie-with-css-3o16 https://dev.to/astrit/how-to-set-a-cookie-with-css-3o16 Seems like there would potentially be a way to get cross-site tracking using only CSS, though I don't imagine many people looked into it (I haven't), largely because its a good assumption that your clients have JS enabled so if you want to track, just use JS -- especially because then you get full browser fingerprinting. But I think "this site doesn't use JS so it must be safe" is...a really bad assumption.
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npteljes 3y ago
They don't say that they run JS to run the site - they say that JS runs only to run the site. As in, they promise to use JS to only run the site.
gcr 3y ago
You’re right, JavaScript wouldn’t be necessary for my website. I agree that getting rid of it would increase accessibility. Would love to be able for my site to be usable in elinks… My post above was concerned most of all with privacy, and the only scripts are for page rendering, they’re hosted from my domain, and they make no network calls. Bytecode in, DOM nodes out, all on the user’s device.

throwaway50603 3y ago

You have no idea what site is it. Perhaps it's an interactive game or a questionnaire. POSTing that data to a server is much worse than running some clientside code. Your post is not productive at all.

pessimizer 3y ago
> You’re right, JavaScript wouldn’t be necessary for my website. I agree that getting rid of it would increase accessibility.
- throwaway50603 3y ago
  Yeah, but you didn't know that when you wrote that comment.

eat_veggies 3y ago

If it's something like a resource locator or questionnaire, then doing the processing locally in JS is in fact better for privacy than sending personal data over the network. It's nice when websites work without JS but you are a deeply unserious engineer if you think that there are no tradeoffs involved.

birdyrooster 3y ago
Asceticism isn’t supposed to necessarily make sense to those outside the bubble.
gcr 3y ago
I could see the idea of building a quiz or something with CSS and named anchors (links within the document). No JavaScript, everything all on one .html, and it would work on elinks! But yeah, that’s certainly a bit of a novelty.
- reaperman 3y ago
  Isn't it possible to set cookies with CSS anyways? https://dev.to/astrit/how-to-set-a-cookie-with-css-3o16 https://dev.to/astrit/how-to-set-a-cookie-with-css-3o16 Seems like there would potentially be a way to get cross-site tracking using only CSS, though I don't imagine many people looked into it (I haven't), largely because its a good assumption that your clients have JS enabled so if you want to track, just use JS -- especially because then you get full browser fingerprinting. But I think "this site doesn't use JS so it must be safe" is...a really bad assumption.
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npteljes 3y ago

They don't say that they run JS to run the site - they say that JS runs only to run the site. As in, they promise to use JS to only run the site.

gcr 3y ago

You’re right, JavaScript wouldn’t be necessary for my website. I agree that getting rid of it would increase accessibility. Would love to be able for my site to be usable in elinks… My post above was concerned most of all with privacy, and the only scripts are for page rendering, they’re hosted from my domain, and they make no network calls. Bytecode in, DOM nodes out, all on the user’s device.