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>Walled Garden Walled Garden is marketing speak. "Closed Ecosystem" is more objective(neutral) and doesn't have positive words associated with it. We should a

>Walled Garden Walled Garden is marketing speak. "Closed Ecosystem" is more objective(neutral) and doesn't have positive words associated with it. We should avoid using marketing speak.

DoneWithAllThat 3y ago
Marketing by whom? Why do you get to decide what is marketing speak and what isn’t? Why does closed ecosystem work better? Why is “walled” more positive than “closed”, or “garden” more positive than “ecosystem”? And finally, why are some people so absolutely obsessed with the idea that the words we use to describe things have such mystical and overwhelming power?
- hospitalJail 3y ago
  >why are some people so absolutely obsessed with the idea that the words we use to describe things have such mystical and overwhelming power? Because it does. Politicians and marketers all dress up their words. If it didn't we wouldnt have marketing departments or speech writers. Are you denying word choice doesnt matter at all? Garden is clearly a happier, more inviting, prettier, and nicer place to be than an ecosystem. A garden is in your backyard at home, full of healthy fruits and pretty flowers. Ecosystem? Could be a petri disk of bacteria or the entire earth. Heck, you can google/chatgpt the definition of these two and find out which has a more positive perception. We are animals at our core, garden drives warm emotion, ecosystem doesnt.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    Interesting. I think that the connotations these phrases have to you are very different than the connotations they have to me. To me, the meaningful part of "walled garden" isn't the "garden" part, it's the "walled" part. It's like "gilded cage" -- the important part of that is "cage", not "covered in gold". "Gilded", like "garden", in these contexts, implies deception to me. But even so, "ecosystem" has very positive connotations to me, no less positive than "garden".
davidmurdoch 3y ago
"Walled garden" isn't a positive phrase, it's a tongue-in-cheek way to say you're in a pretty prison.
JohnFen 3y ago
To my ears, "closed ecosystem" sounds less terrible than "walled garden". "Walled garden" is the same as "gilded cage".

>Walled Garden Walled Garden is marketing speak. "Closed Ecosystem" is more objective(neutral) and doesn't have positive words associated with it. We should avoid using marketing speak.

DoneWithAllThat 3y ago

Marketing by whom? Why do you get to decide what is marketing speak and what isn’t? Why does closed ecosystem work better? Why is “walled” more positive than “closed”, or “garden” more positive than “ecosystem”? And finally, why are some people so absolutely obsessed with the idea that the words we use to describe things have such mystical and overwhelming power?

hospitalJail 3y ago
>why are some people so absolutely obsessed with the idea that the words we use to describe things have such mystical and overwhelming power? Because it does. Politicians and marketers all dress up their words. If it didn't we wouldnt have marketing departments or speech writers. Are you denying word choice doesnt matter at all? Garden is clearly a happier, more inviting, prettier, and nicer place to be than an ecosystem. A garden is in your backyard at home, full of healthy fruits and pretty flowers. Ecosystem? Could be a petri disk of bacteria or the entire earth. Heck, you can google/chatgpt the definition of these two and find out which has a more positive perception. We are animals at our core, garden drives warm emotion, ecosystem doesnt.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Interesting. I think that the connotations these phrases have to you are very different than the connotations they have to me. To me, the meaningful part of "walled garden" isn't the "garden" part, it's the "walled" part. It's like "gilded cage" -- the important part of that is "cage", not "covered in gold". "Gilded", like "garden", in these contexts, implies deception to me. But even so, "ecosystem" has very positive connotations to me, no less positive than "garden".

davidmurdoch 3y ago

"Walled garden" isn't a positive phrase, it's a tongue-in-cheek way to say you're in a pretty prison.

JohnFen 3y ago

To my ears, "closed ecosystem" sounds less terrible than "walled garden". "Walled garden" is the same as "gilded cage".