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On top of that, many cases (including this one) aren't even artists suing other artists. They're estates or companies that bought the rights suing. Oftentimes t

On top of that, many cases (including this one) aren't even artists suing other artists. They're estates or companies that bought the rights suing. Oftentimes the creators themselves would be aghast at this!

heresie-dabord 3y ago
Where there is money, there will be laws and lawsuits. Music is born free and lives by sharing, but the Musical-Industry Complex thrives by other rules.
onion2k 3y ago
Oftentimes the creators themselves would be aghast at this! Obviously anyone who has sold the rights to their music gives up that particular claim that though. And (in my opinion) the rights of any musician should die with them, so if they haven't sold the rights to their music while they're alive their music can't fall into the hands of a private equity company.
- Nevermark 3y ago
  Making an exception to limit a musicians choice of what to do with their property would just be anti-musician. I.e. musicians should be able to pass on their assets like anyone else. Creating rat’s nests of laws to fix things in ways that are not thoughtfully deep and wide only further separates the rights of the rich, who can afford legal strategists to dodge narrow scope laws, from everyone else. What is needed are judicial judgements that uphold sensible outcomes, and provide relief (and deterrence) against frivolous speculative litigation. The need for an open system of informed human judgement, to settle fuzzy boundaries based on relevant particulars, is one of the primary purposes of a judicial systems. Micromanaging laws introduce massive opportunities for gaming and unintended harm. And create parasitic constituencies that become devoted to maintaining Byzantine situations.
  - onion2k 3y ago
    musicians should be able to pass on their assets like anyone else I didn't suggest otherwise. I'm saying that musicians can't sell their rights and also claim it's bad that people who buy rights sue artists.
  - Jochim 3y ago
    Musicians aren't a special case. The problems that exist everywhere are just more apparent due to their prominence in the public space and how universal music is as a form of expression. We shouldn't make an exception for musicians. We should relax intellectual property law everywhere.

heresie-dabord 3y ago

Where there is money, there will be laws and lawsuits. Music is born free and lives by sharing, but the Musical-Industry Complex thrives by other rules.

onion2k 3y ago

Oftentimes the creators themselves would be aghast at this! Obviously anyone who has sold the rights to their music gives up that particular claim that though. And (in my opinion) the rights of any musician should die with them, so if they haven't sold the rights to their music while they're alive their music can't fall into the hands of a private equity company.

Nevermark 3y ago
Making an exception to limit a musicians choice of what to do with their property would just be anti-musician. I.e. musicians should be able to pass on their assets like anyone else. Creating rat’s nests of laws to fix things in ways that are not thoughtfully deep and wide only further separates the rights of the rich, who can afford legal strategists to dodge narrow scope laws, from everyone else. What is needed are judicial judgements that uphold sensible outcomes, and provide relief (and deterrence) against frivolous speculative litigation. The need for an open system of informed human judgement, to settle fuzzy boundaries based on relevant particulars, is one of the primary purposes of a judicial systems. Micromanaging laws introduce massive opportunities for gaming and unintended harm. And create parasitic constituencies that become devoted to maintaining Byzantine situations.
- onion2k 3y ago
  musicians should be able to pass on their assets like anyone else I didn't suggest otherwise. I'm saying that musicians can't sell their rights and also claim it's bad that people who buy rights sue artists.
- Jochim 3y ago
  Musicians aren't a special case. The problems that exist everywhere are just more apparent due to their prominence in the public space and how universal music is as a form of expression. We shouldn't make an exception for musicians. We should relax intellectual property law everywhere.