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I’m sorry but not even the actors in the promo video in this announcement can sell the idea that video editing on a touch device is a good idea. No professional

I’m sorry but not even the actors in the promo video in this announcement can sell the idea that video editing on a touch device is a good idea. No professional video editor will use Final Cut on the iPad. It’s horribly ineffcient. It feels like Apple has no idea what to do with the iPad Pro. The product hasn’t evolved at all since 2018.

mavhc 3y ago
Their idea is: add a mouse and keyboard option
elliottkember 3y ago
Have you seen the magic keyboard accessory? With the trackpad and keyboard?
- Tepix 3y ago
  At the ridiculous price they are charging for it, it might as well not exist.
  - asutekku 3y ago
    While the price might be ridiculous for you, the price is not ridiculous for the people in the market for it.
throw74774 3y ago
Dunno - touch devices are already very popular for music editing and production. No reason they shouldn’t be for video too.
vuln 3y ago
> It feels like Apple has no idea what to do with the iPad Pro. 100% this. I have an iPad Pro. If I want to plug it into a projector via USBC or a Dock I must ALSO connect a Bluetooth speaker device as the iPad will not allow use the internal speakers on the iPad while connected to an external _display_ fucking madness.
- mvanbaak 3y ago
  yeah, because you want to use the internal speaker while watching the video on a projector screen ... I understand what you are saying, and it sucks indeed, but there are other systems that have exactly the same 'problem' and in real life this is a problem for the minority of people. apple sells to the masses, and they will do what the majority of the people want/need/use. Sure, it sux if you dont fit in that group, but that has been the thing with most big vendors of things.
  - dbspin 3y ago
    It's a problem for anyone trying to give a presentation in an educational or office environment - local sound solutions on projectors in small offices and small classrooms are often (probably 70% of the time in my experience) non functional.
    - mvanbaak 3y ago
      iPad speakers in a classroom is not going to cut it, they are nowhere near powerful enough. in an office environment you can use the tv audio, or the video conferencing unit (in my experience even a 10man shop has those). again, for the very small percentage of people that fall outside of the 'masses' it is a problem, and I totally understand that. But none of the big brands care about the use cases that are not the masses. So you can blame apple, but look around and blame all the others as well.
      - vuln 3y ago
        The iPad Pro has 4 speakers. You seem so matter of fact with your opinion. How big is the classroom in your mind? Video conferencing units like you bring up most of the time need separate drivers, or an app to connect. Should I have all these different teleconferencing apps on my iPad in case I show up to a client that uses xyz model? What happened to apple’s “it just works”
        mvanbaak 3y ago
Tagbert 3y ago
The iPad is no longer touch-only. Since Apple added support for pencil, mouse/trackpad and brought out more keyboards, the iPad is a multi-model input device.
- mattwad 3y ago
  True but it's not very good as a laptop replacement. It's much more expensive than an Air and can't run the same apps. While doing my research it seemed a lot of people either already had a laptop or preferred to have a laptop if they had to pick one. This is coming from a Surface 5 user - I gave up eventually because it was never powerful enough, but it is a much better approach to multi-input laptop replacement since it can run anything.
  - mvanbaak 3y ago
    It is not a laptop replacement. And apple does not design it to be one. It's a very nice device to have next to your Mac Studio / Mac Pro to do your work while not at your desk. The creative possibilities of the iPad are spectacular. The ease of maintaining one is 100x bigger than a notebook. it's simply another type of device, not a replacement.
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      > It's a very nice device to have next to your Mac Studio / Mac Pro to do your work while not at your desk. I'm kinda curious - what does it do that my laptop can't? Am I missing out on anything by bringing a full computer with me when I have to work? I've got an iPad (an older one) and it's just about completely useless for me. It doesn't support my file syncing app, it insists on using it's own file formats, it doesn't trust me to install apps and doesn't have enough builtin IO to charge and use a mouse at the same time. Lugging around a second Mac seems like a much more seamless experience to me.
      - mvanbaak 3y ago
        I can only respond based on my experience. 1. Personally, an iPad for me is just another nice gadget. I'm a developer and I want my MacBook 2. The iPad has a lot of things less technical people prefer over a notebook: 2.1 - easy of / lack of - maintenance. It just works, you click the home button and it works, things are simply there 2.2 - battery life. iPad wins hands down from all other alternatives 2.3 - pencil. both for creative work as for boring office work and signing contracts 2.4 - games for the kids/pets. Roadtrip? waiting for the doctors appointment? anything? give them the iPad and have them kill time with $random thing 2.5 - support. No matter what the problem is, walk into an Apple Store and have it fixed. (I know some parts of the world have different service, but at least here in .nl its perfect)
ancientworldnow 3y ago
No serious professional wants to use FCP in the first place.
- brookst 3y ago
  Out of all of the people in the world who do at least a few hours of video editing a year, what percent do you think are Serious Professionals?
- starkparker 3y ago
  Aww, that's not true. Serious professionals want to use FCP 7.
- mannyv 3y ago
  From what I understand a large number of video people are wedding/event people...which makes sense, because there aren't that many TV shows. While I doubt they'll be editing on-site, now they can with their IPP instead of their MBP. People work where they want to and jow they want to. If the tool works for you, go for it.
madeofpalk 3y ago
> No professional video editor will use Final Cut on the iPad Maybe it's for other people then?
edude03 3y ago
This is basically the "no true Scotsman" argument. Your definition of professional video editor seems to not include people like YouTube/TikTok/Instagram content creators who are already "professionally editing" videos on their phones and iPads and making good money I might add.

mavhc 3y ago

Their idea is: add a mouse and keyboard option

elliottkember 3y ago

Have you seen the magic keyboard accessory? With the trackpad and keyboard?

Tepix 3y ago
At the ridiculous price they are charging for it, it might as well not exist.
- asutekku 3y ago
  While the price might be ridiculous for you, the price is not ridiculous for the people in the market for it.

throw74774 3y ago

Dunno - touch devices are already very popular for music editing and production. No reason they shouldn’t be for video too.

vuln 3y ago

> It feels like Apple has no idea what to do with the iPad Pro. 100% this. I have an iPad Pro. If I want to plug it into a projector via USBC or a Dock I must ALSO connect a Bluetooth speaker device as the iPad will not allow use the internal speakers on the iPad while connected to an external _display_ fucking madness.

mvanbaak 3y ago
yeah, because you want to use the internal speaker while watching the video on a projector screen ... I understand what you are saying, and it sucks indeed, but there are other systems that have exactly the same 'problem' and in real life this is a problem for the minority of people. apple sells to the masses, and they will do what the majority of the people want/need/use. Sure, it sux if you dont fit in that group, but that has been the thing with most big vendors of things.
- dbspin 3y ago
  It's a problem for anyone trying to give a presentation in an educational or office environment - local sound solutions on projectors in small offices and small classrooms are often (probably 70% of the time in my experience) non functional.
  - mvanbaak 3y ago
    iPad speakers in a classroom is not going to cut it, they are nowhere near powerful enough. in an office environment you can use the tv audio, or the video conferencing unit (in my experience even a 10man shop has those). again, for the very small percentage of people that fall outside of the 'masses' it is a problem, and I totally understand that. But none of the big brands care about the use cases that are not the masses. So you can blame apple, but look around and blame all the others as well.
    - vuln 3y ago
      The iPad Pro has 4 speakers. You seem so matter of fact with your opinion. How big is the classroom in your mind? Video conferencing units like you bring up most of the time need separate drivers, or an app to connect. Should I have all these different teleconferencing apps on my iPad in case I show up to a client that uses xyz model? What happened to apple’s “it just works”
      - mvanbaak 3y ago

Tagbert 3y ago

The iPad is no longer touch-only. Since Apple added support for pencil, mouse/trackpad and brought out more keyboards, the iPad is a multi-model input device.

mattwad 3y ago
True but it's not very good as a laptop replacement. It's much more expensive than an Air and can't run the same apps. While doing my research it seemed a lot of people either already had a laptop or preferred to have a laptop if they had to pick one. This is coming from a Surface 5 user - I gave up eventually because it was never powerful enough, but it is a much better approach to multi-input laptop replacement since it can run anything.
- mvanbaak 3y ago
  It is not a laptop replacement. And apple does not design it to be one. It's a very nice device to have next to your Mac Studio / Mac Pro to do your work while not at your desk. The creative possibilities of the iPad are spectacular. The ease of maintaining one is 100x bigger than a notebook. it's simply another type of device, not a replacement.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    > It's a very nice device to have next to your Mac Studio / Mac Pro to do your work while not at your desk. I'm kinda curious - what does it do that my laptop can't? Am I missing out on anything by bringing a full computer with me when I have to work? I've got an iPad (an older one) and it's just about completely useless for me. It doesn't support my file syncing app, it insists on using it's own file formats, it doesn't trust me to install apps and doesn't have enough builtin IO to charge and use a mouse at the same time. Lugging around a second Mac seems like a much more seamless experience to me.
    - mvanbaak 3y ago
      I can only respond based on my experience. 1. Personally, an iPad for me is just another nice gadget. I'm a developer and I want my MacBook 2. The iPad has a lot of things less technical people prefer over a notebook: 2.1 - easy of / lack of - maintenance. It just works, you click the home button and it works, things are simply there 2.2 - battery life. iPad wins hands down from all other alternatives 2.3 - pencil. both for creative work as for boring office work and signing contracts 2.4 - games for the kids/pets. Roadtrip? waiting for the doctors appointment? anything? give them the iPad and have them kill time with $random thing 2.5 - support. No matter what the problem is, walk into an Apple Store and have it fixed. (I know some parts of the world have different service, but at least here in .nl its perfect)

ancientworldnow 3y ago

No serious professional wants to use FCP in the first place.

brookst 3y ago
Out of all of the people in the world who do at least a few hours of video editing a year, what percent do you think are Serious Professionals?
starkparker 3y ago
Aww, that's not true. Serious professionals want to use FCP 7.
mannyv 3y ago
From what I understand a large number of video people are wedding/event people...which makes sense, because there aren't that many TV shows. While I doubt they'll be editing on-site, now they can with their IPP instead of their MBP. People work where they want to and jow they want to. If the tool works for you, go for it.

madeofpalk 3y ago

> No professional video editor will use Final Cut on the iPad Maybe it's for other people then?

edude03 3y ago

This is basically the "no true Scotsman" argument. Your definition of professional video editor seems to not include people like YouTube/TikTok/Instagram content creators who are already "professionally editing" videos on their phones and iPads and making good money I might add.