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Non religious people live in a culture that has been created by people including religious people. In other cultures and times in the past, for example, all hu

Non religious people live in a culture that has been created by people including religious people. In other cultures and times in the past, for example, all human life was not valued and slavery was considered a normal part of life. We don't really understand what culture is and think that the values are fundamental constant variables baked into biology.

dale_glass 3y ago
> In other cultures and times in the past, for example, all human life was not valued and slavery was considered a normal part of life. That's funny, because in a large amount the justification for slavery was religious. The perks of religion are great if you're on the right side. The downside is that you might also find yourself on the side of the "other", and then any concerns you might have stop mattering, and how much that might suck for you doesn't matter because deontology doesn't concern itself with consequences.
- socceroos 3y ago
  What's wrong with slavery? We're no further away from outright slavery than we were in the 1800's. The idea of mechanical equality, where all are masters, is absurdism.
  - dale_glass 3y ago
    > What's wrong with slavery? Gee, I wonder. Maybe read a history book? > The idea of mechanical equality, where all are masters, is absurdism. Because you put it in an absurd way. Dispense with the idea of "masters" and what you have is peers, which makes perfect sense.
krapp 3y ago
Modern culture is more the product of secularism than religion. We understand a great deal about what culture is. We have entire fields of scientific and academic study devoted to it, and centuries of research on it. And believing that cultural values are baked into biology is often the basis for racist ideology. Regardless, the claim that only religious people value human life and everyone else is an amoral sociopath is as pernicious as it is false.

dale_glass 3y ago

> In other cultures and times in the past, for example, all human life was not valued and slavery was considered a normal part of life. That's funny, because in a large amount the justification for slavery was religious. The perks of religion are great if you're on the right side. The downside is that you might also find yourself on the side of the "other", and then any concerns you might have stop mattering, and how much that might suck for you doesn't matter because deontology doesn't concern itself with consequences.

socceroos 3y ago
What's wrong with slavery? We're no further away from outright slavery than we were in the 1800's. The idea of mechanical equality, where all are masters, is absurdism.
- dale_glass 3y ago
  > What's wrong with slavery? Gee, I wonder. Maybe read a history book? > The idea of mechanical equality, where all are masters, is absurdism. Because you put it in an absurd way. Dispense with the idea of "masters" and what you have is peers, which makes perfect sense.

krapp 3y ago

Modern culture is more the product of secularism than religion. We understand a great deal about what culture is. We have entire fields of scientific and academic study devoted to it, and centuries of research on it. And believing that cultural values are baked into biology is often the basis for racist ideology. Regardless, the claim that only religious people value human life and everyone else is an amoral sociopath is as pernicious as it is false.