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Is Texas getting ready to secede from the union, or what ?

bovermyer 3y ago
While it wouldn't surprise me if Texas decided to secede, I doubt the creation of a cryptocurrency is a preparatory step for that. This just feels like cryptobros convincing legislators to back their latest pet project.
- _8j50 3y ago
  Even in rural Texas it isn't a popular topic. But texas does not have the power to mint their own currency, only the fed does?
  - bovermyer 3y ago
    Judging from some of the other comments here, that's up for debate when it comes to cryptocurrency.
_8j50 3y ago
I mean the popular support isn't there but they'd in reality only need the support of the texas national guard. A traitor president also helps. And you also have a ton of people who go "who cares, let them leave" like they're breaking up with a romantic partner lol, absolutley no sense of patriotism. I mean, I don't care if it is texas, missisipi or claifornia, I am an american and all of it is mine. Whether it is a buch of small skirmishes or a full on civil war again, sececession can only be accomplished by a lot of blood spilled. I can't stand guns and I don't even care enough about politics to vote but if any state tries to secede, I would join whatever military opposing them or just buy a gun and find a secessionist armed soldier to kill and hope that I have a death as honorable as fighting to defend your homeland, sure bests rotting in a bed or in a hospital. Even if I can't get others to join me I can contribute just my tiny drop of blood to the price that needs to be paid to separate a land from its people. Now, there is exactly one scenario where I'd have no opposition to them seceding: if the constitution is changed to get rid of the electoral college, senatorial representation or if religious rights are infringed upon (even by a SCOTUS decision), and I don't mean protections for miniorities who disagree with a religion but anything that prevents people from sincerely believing (not satanists whose belief according to themselves is fake! For example) in a creator and acting on that belief (including voting). Because before you are a citizen you are a human and before you have legal rights you have natural rights that supersede legal rights(see: declararion of independence) which were the foundation and reasoning used to justify America's secession from Britain. For Texas secessionists though, all they can acheive is destabilization of the US and as a result the whole world. Russia and China's wet dream but my take on it is that secession is as realistic as a neo-nazi white nationalist state.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > Whether it is a buch of small skirmishes or a full on civil war again, sececession can only be accomplished by a lot of blood spilled. There have been peaceful secessions in the past - the split of Czechia and Slovakia back in 1993 was one example. And I believe that both Scotland and Catalonia can achieve a peaceful secession, assuming that their respective central governments decide to actually listen to the will of the people.
  - _8j50 3y ago
    Of course it is possible, just not gonna happen in the US.
- rayiner 3y ago
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  - nobody9999 3y ago
    >Why should we be forced in this country of 300 million people to agree on everything? It's more like 340,000,000 and no one is forcing anyone to agree about anything. There are many things about which I disagree with my neighbors/friends/family/local, state and Federal governments, but I feel no no need to justify such disagreements to them (or anyone else, for that matter), nor are their choices/ideas impinging on my ability to disagree (or agree, for that matter) about anything. And even if I vehemently disagree, that's no reason to commit acts of violence and/or attempt to secede from the Union. What is it, exactly (not vague pronouncements or complaints about what other people think, say or do), that makes you feel like you must agree with everyone else? Please do enlighten us.
    - rayiner 3y ago
      People have to agree on certain basic values to workable operate the kind of sweeping federal government we have.
      - 3y ago
krapp 3y ago
Any time there's a Democrat in the White House, Texas gets antsy.
- neverartful 3y ago
  Just like California when there's a Republican in the White House.
weare138 3y ago
No. They couldn't if they wanted to. There is no legal or constitutional basis for a state to secede. How would that even work? It's not like they can force people to leave the US and strip them of their citizenship. Are they just going to kick out over half the people in Texas? Besides Texas' economy would collapse immediately. There would be a mass exodus of businesses. Texas would be completely cut off from the national banking system. It's an absurd idea.
- fredoralive 3y ago
  If it were to happen "legally", instead of "civil war II: the farce", I suppose the obvious bit would be to pass a constitutional amendment[1] to allow Texas to secede, probably after a Texit referendum. Presumably similarly to Brexit all the nitty gritty minor details like "not destroying the economy" can be worked out in negotiation between Texas and the USA, which will no doubt leave the newly independent Texas in a worse place and generally unhappy, but FREEEEEEEE. [1] "Why would the other states ratify this?" you ask? Lets not quibble over minor details in silly make believe scenarios.
  - yardie 3y ago
    The article that allowed the UK to leave the EU was specifically crafted for the UK at the time they joined. The EU realized that mistake right away and removed it for future members. No such agreement exists in the Constitution because having states come and go as they please would be incredibly dumb.
    - fredoralive 3y ago
      Huh? Article 50 is still there, and isn't a UK specific thing: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A12012M050 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A... "Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements." Wikipedia (at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_the_European_Union#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_the_European_U...) notes that a formal method of leaving became a thing in the early 2000s when various Eastern European states were joining, not when the UK joined in the 1970s. (As for the US, I did say actually passing a constitutional amendment to allow succession would be unlikely, but I don't think it's legally impossible?)
CatWChainsaw 3y ago
Since 1845!
ur-whale 3y ago
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- bart_spoon 3y ago
  Texas nor it’s leadership seem to be inspiring any more confidence than the country as a whole
sneak 3y ago
Getting ready? Many in Texas never dropped the idea. They even have their own separate power grid, just in case.
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  And how well is that going for them? It still sucks, and may crap out yet again during peak season this year
harywilke 3y ago
Yes. It is the stated position of the Texas GOP that they should secede. "33. State Sovereignty: Pursuant to Article 1, Section 1, of the Texas Constitution, the federal government199 has impaired our right of local self-government. Therefore, federally mandated legislation that infringes200 upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas should be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified. Texas201 retains the right to secede from the United States, and the Texas Legislature should be called upon to202 pass a referendum consistent thereto." https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/6-Permanent-Platform-Committee-FINAL-REPORT-6-16-2022.pdf https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/6-Permanent-... https://www.thebulwark.com/texas-republicans-deadly-serious-toying-around-with-secession/ https://www.thebulwark.com/texas-republicans-deadly-serious-...
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  There's a difference between maintaining the right to do something and wanting to do something or preparing to do something. I maintain that I have the right to leave my employer and wife. I don't have plans or want to do either at the current moment
  - jfengel 3y ago
    I suppose it depends on what "pass a referendum consistent thereto" means. I have no idea. My suspicion is that it's talking out of both sides of their mouth. It means they can go to any kooks and say "We want to secede", while saying to everybody else "oh, it's just a referendum to re-assert what we already claim to be true, just for funsies".
    - skissane 3y ago
      > I suppose it depends on what "pass a referendum consistent thereto" means. I have no idea. It means enacting legislation for a secession referendum, and holding the referendum. It doesn’t mean secession is going to win the referendum. If Texas held a secession referendum tomorrow, I doubt “Yes” would get anywhere near a majority-and I’m sure they know that. It would be an exercise in moving the Overton window, not in actually seceding. Which I think is their whole point-actual secession would be enormously risky for unclear benefit, making it a topic of live political debate could have great reward for some.
yardie 3y ago
The question was resolved n 1865 with a lot of bullets and a lot of dead soldiers. Texas joined the Union in 1845, btw. These are chucklehead GOP politicians who only have a seat through gerrymandering. I suspect if this was to go to referendum it wouldn't get far. The most citizens of their largest cities have no interest in secession.

While it wouldn't surprise me if Texas decided to secede, I doubt the creation of a cryptocurrency is a preparatory step for that. This just feels like cryptobros convincing legislators to back their latest pet project.

_8j50 3y ago
Even in rural Texas it isn't a popular topic. But texas does not have the power to mint their own currency, only the fed does?
- bovermyer 3y ago
  Judging from some of the other comments here, that's up for debate when it comes to cryptocurrency.

_8j50 3y ago

I mean the popular support isn't there but they'd in reality only need the support of the texas national guard. A traitor president also helps. And you also have a ton of people who go "who cares, let them leave" like they're breaking up with a romantic partner lol, absolutley no sense of patriotism. I mean, I don't care if it is texas, missisipi or claifornia, I am an american and all of it is mine. Whether it is a buch of small skirmishes or a full on civil war again, sececession can only be accomplished by a lot of blood spilled. I can't stand guns and I don't even care enough about politics to vote but if any state tries to secede, I would join whatever military opposing them or just buy a gun and find a secessionist armed soldier to kill and hope that I have a death as honorable as fighting to defend your homeland, sure bests rotting in a bed or in a hospital. Even if I can't get others to join me I can contribute just my tiny drop of blood to the price that needs to be paid to separate a land from its people. Now, there is exactly one scenario where I'd have no opposition to them seceding: if the constitution is changed to get rid of the electoral college, senatorial representation or if religious rights are infringed upon (even by a SCOTUS decision), and I don't mean protections for miniorities who disagree with a religion but anything that prevents people from sincerely believing (not satanists whose belief according to themselves is fake! For example) in a creator and acting on that belief (including voting). Because before you are a citizen you are a human and before you have legal rights you have natural rights that supersede legal rights(see: declararion of independence) which were the foundation and reasoning used to justify America's secession from Britain. For Texas secessionists though, all they can acheive is destabilization of the US and as a result the whole world. Russia and China's wet dream but my take on it is that secession is as realistic as a neo-nazi white nationalist state.

mschuster91 3y ago
> Whether it is a buch of small skirmishes or a full on civil war again, sececession can only be accomplished by a lot of blood spilled. There have been peaceful secessions in the past - the split of Czechia and Slovakia back in 1993 was one example. And I believe that both Scotland and Catalonia can achieve a peaceful secession, assuming that their respective central governments decide to actually listen to the will of the people.
- _8j50 3y ago
  Of course it is possible, just not gonna happen in the US.
rayiner 3y ago
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- nobody9999 3y ago
  >Why should we be forced in this country of 300 million people to agree on everything? It's more like 340,000,000 and no one is forcing anyone to agree about anything. There are many things about which I disagree with my neighbors/friends/family/local, state and Federal governments, but I feel no no need to justify such disagreements to them (or anyone else, for that matter), nor are their choices/ideas impinging on my ability to disagree (or agree, for that matter) about anything. And even if I vehemently disagree, that's no reason to commit acts of violence and/or attempt to secede from the Union. What is it, exactly (not vague pronouncements or complaints about what other people think, say or do), that makes you feel like you must agree with everyone else? Please do enlighten us.
  - rayiner 3y ago
    People have to agree on certain basic values to workable operate the kind of sweeping federal government we have.
    - 3y ago

krapp 3y ago

Any time there's a Democrat in the White House, Texas gets antsy.

neverartful 3y ago
Just like California when there's a Republican in the White House.

weare138 3y ago

No. They couldn't if they wanted to. There is no legal or constitutional basis for a state to secede. How would that even work? It's not like they can force people to leave the US and strip them of their citizenship. Are they just going to kick out over half the people in Texas? Besides Texas' economy would collapse immediately. There would be a mass exodus of businesses. Texas would be completely cut off from the national banking system. It's an absurd idea.

fredoralive 3y ago
If it were to happen "legally", instead of "civil war II: the farce", I suppose the obvious bit would be to pass a constitutional amendment[1] to allow Texas to secede, probably after a Texit referendum. Presumably similarly to Brexit all the nitty gritty minor details like "not destroying the economy" can be worked out in negotiation between Texas and the USA, which will no doubt leave the newly independent Texas in a worse place and generally unhappy, but FREEEEEEEE. [1] "Why would the other states ratify this?" you ask? Lets not quibble over minor details in silly make believe scenarios.
- yardie 3y ago
  The article that allowed the UK to leave the EU was specifically crafted for the UK at the time they joined. The EU realized that mistake right away and removed it for future members. No such agreement exists in the Constitution because having states come and go as they please would be incredibly dumb.
  - fredoralive 3y ago
    Huh? Article 50 is still there, and isn't a UK specific thing: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A12012M050 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A... "Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements." Wikipedia (at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_the_European_Union#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_the_European_U...) notes that a formal method of leaving became a thing in the early 2000s when various Eastern European states were joining, not when the UK joined in the 1970s. (As for the US, I did say actually passing a constitutional amendment to allow succession would be unlikely, but I don't think it's legally impossible?)

CatWChainsaw 3y ago

Since 1845!

ur-whale 3y ago

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bart_spoon 3y ago
Texas nor it’s leadership seem to be inspiring any more confidence than the country as a whole

sneak 3y ago

Getting ready? Many in Texas never dropped the idea. They even have their own separate power grid, just in case.

red-iron-pine 3y ago
And how well is that going for them? It still sucks, and may crap out yet again during peak season this year

harywilke 3y ago

Yes. It is the stated position of the Texas GOP that they should secede. "33. State Sovereignty: Pursuant to Article 1, Section 1, of the Texas Constitution, the federal government199 has impaired our right of local self-government. Therefore, federally mandated legislation that infringes200 upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas should be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified. Texas201 retains the right to secede from the United States, and the Texas Legislature should be called upon to202 pass a referendum consistent thereto." https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/6-Permanent-Platform-Committee-FINAL-REPORT-6-16-2022.pdf https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/6-Permanent-... https://www.thebulwark.com/texas-republicans-deadly-serious-toying-around-with-secession/ https://www.thebulwark.com/texas-republicans-deadly-serious-...

s1artibartfast 3y ago
There's a difference between maintaining the right to do something and wanting to do something or preparing to do something. I maintain that I have the right to leave my employer and wife. I don't have plans or want to do either at the current moment
- jfengel 3y ago
  I suppose it depends on what "pass a referendum consistent thereto" means. I have no idea. My suspicion is that it's talking out of both sides of their mouth. It means they can go to any kooks and say "We want to secede", while saying to everybody else "oh, it's just a referendum to re-assert what we already claim to be true, just for funsies".
  - skissane 3y ago
    > I suppose it depends on what "pass a referendum consistent thereto" means. I have no idea. It means enacting legislation for a secession referendum, and holding the referendum. It doesn’t mean secession is going to win the referendum. If Texas held a secession referendum tomorrow, I doubt “Yes” would get anywhere near a majority-and I’m sure they know that. It would be an exercise in moving the Overton window, not in actually seceding. Which I think is their whole point-actual secession would be enormously risky for unclear benefit, making it a topic of live political debate could have great reward for some.

yardie 3y ago

The question was resolved n 1865 with a lot of bullets and a lot of dead soldiers. Texas joined the Union in 1845, btw. These are chucklehead GOP politicians who only have a seat through gerrymandering. I suspect if this was to go to referendum it wouldn't get far. The most citizens of their largest cities have no interest in secession.