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> Unfortunately (according to TFA) they are more allied to Russia and China which take a hands-off approach at best. I get what you're saying here, something l

> Unfortunately (according to TFA) they are more allied to Russia and China which take a hands-off approach at best. I get what you're saying here, something like, "we couldn't change it if we tried" but we wouldn't even if we could. We're fighting a proxy war with Russia right now over access to fossil fuel right now. Releasing tons and tons of CO2 for the right to release more CO2 in the future.

misja111 4y ago
From a purely Russian-centric point of view, is global warming even a bad thing? Russia has huge stretches of land that are mostly useless for farming because of the cold. Not to mention the Arctic region, which they could traverse by ship if most of the ice would be molten.
- h0l0cube 4y ago
  I almost mentioned that. Russia are possibly worse than ‘hands off’ when it comes to encouraging global warming Edit: probably changed to possibly. Downvoted immediately because who knows?
- jemmyw 4y ago
  As I understand it that land won't become arable.
  - h0l0cube 4y ago
    What’s your understanding based on?
    - jemmyw 4y ago
      https://www.climatechangepost.com/russia/agriculture-and-horticulture/ https://www.climatechangepost.com/russia/agriculture-and-hor... Sounds complex. There are open questions as to whether those regions that open up for farming would have the soil to support it. And whether reduction in rainfall elsewhere in Russia would cancel out the gains. They have already benefited from current warming.
      - foverzar 3y ago
        > They have already benefited from current warming. I assure you, no one had noticed anything substantial.
h0l0cube 4y ago
> I get what you're saying here, something like, "we couldn't change it if we tried" Not exactly. “We just need to offer a bigger carrot than Russia does”
- foverzar 3y ago
  Nope. At first, you gotta fix that genocidal warmongering colonists reputation. You don't assume that the relationships between the West and the Global South is a clean slate, right? EDIT: And here come the downvotes from the bubble-people. Does the fact that Africa and the Middle East distrust the West surprise anyone, really? Can I maybe refer anyone to President Macron's recent struggles with Africa, or the fact that people in the Middle East aren't really thankful for dronestike politics?
  - h0l0cube 3y ago
    I didn't downvote, but I think a financial incentive would outweigh any moral outrage from Turkmenistan's ruling members. Russia is certainly willing to engage in proxy wars as much as western nations. China seems to be building up military power, (still a fraction of the US) but doesn't seem to be so interested in inciting conflict (yet). I agree that western nations could take a page out of China's book and look to having more of a presence in developing and underdeveloped nations, including financing and building infrastructure, but hopefully without seeking leverage (e.g., Sri Lanka.. though the incompetent government only has themselves to blame).
    - foverzar 3y ago
      Specifically Turkmenistan - sure, extremely likely. Turkmenistan is actually relatively west-friendly.

misja111 4y ago

From a purely Russian-centric point of view, is global warming even a bad thing? Russia has huge stretches of land that are mostly useless for farming because of the cold. Not to mention the Arctic region, which they could traverse by ship if most of the ice would be molten.

h0l0cube 4y ago
I almost mentioned that. Russia are possibly worse than ‘hands off’ when it comes to encouraging global warming Edit: probably changed to possibly. Downvoted immediately because who knows?
jemmyw 4y ago
As I understand it that land won't become arable.
- h0l0cube 4y ago
  What’s your understanding based on?
  - jemmyw 4y ago
    https://www.climatechangepost.com/russia/agriculture-and-horticulture/ https://www.climatechangepost.com/russia/agriculture-and-hor... Sounds complex. There are open questions as to whether those regions that open up for farming would have the soil to support it. And whether reduction in rainfall elsewhere in Russia would cancel out the gains. They have already benefited from current warming.
    - foverzar 3y ago
      > They have already benefited from current warming. I assure you, no one had noticed anything substantial.

h0l0cube 4y ago

> I get what you're saying here, something like, "we couldn't change it if we tried" Not exactly. “We just need to offer a bigger carrot than Russia does”

foverzar 3y ago
Nope. At first, you gotta fix that genocidal warmongering colonists reputation. You don't assume that the relationships between the West and the Global South is a clean slate, right? EDIT: And here come the downvotes from the bubble-people. Does the fact that Africa and the Middle East distrust the West surprise anyone, really? Can I maybe refer anyone to President Macron's recent struggles with Africa, or the fact that people in the Middle East aren't really thankful for dronestike politics?
- h0l0cube 3y ago
  I didn't downvote, but I think a financial incentive would outweigh any moral outrage from Turkmenistan's ruling members. Russia is certainly willing to engage in proxy wars as much as western nations. China seems to be building up military power, (still a fraction of the US) but doesn't seem to be so interested in inciting conflict (yet). I agree that western nations could take a page out of China's book and look to having more of a presence in developing and underdeveloped nations, including financing and building infrastructure, but hopefully without seeking leverage (e.g., Sri Lanka.. though the incompetent government only has themselves to blame).
  - foverzar 3y ago
    Specifically Turkmenistan - sure, extremely likely. Turkmenistan is actually relatively west-friendly.