> As an aside, personally I’m curious about an alternative timeline… This sorta happened at Apple (and IBM and Motorola) with the OpenDoc/Taligent initiatives.

> As an aside, personally I’m curious about an alternative timeline… This sorta happened at Apple (and IBM and Motorola) with the OpenDoc/Taligent initiatives. With the return of the Jedi however, Master Steve axed OpenDoc at Apple, to much chagrin of those involved. Some of that hostility became internet famous, I am sure most of you have seen the video from the conference back then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeqPrUmVz-o#:~:text=I%20think%20that%20what%20we,we%27ll%20fix%20them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeqPrUmVz-o#:~:text=I%20thin.... It is interesting how (in the video) Steve explains the decision: the Smalltalk way doesn't fit into an overall cohesive vision that allows you to serve the majority of people. I think he got it right. The Mac/Win ways of Apps is the right way to slice and dice these issues. I do use Emacs every day. I do feel the Smalltalk way and I like it. But it's not the "right" way; just not. The best concepts of integrating a terminal/shell CLI driven environment with a GUI and together with on-the-fly manipulation of ENV variables and objects based on those was actualized by the Amiga. Unfortunately Commodore went bankrupt.