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Go with the easy route; add it as "Freelance Contract under NDA", period!

CoastalCoder 3y ago
There are some good reasons to (as a matter of policy) not lie. IMHO it's better to cast around for the best possible honest framing of the issue.
- stefanos82 3y ago
  It's not a lie, because this advice came from a number of HRs I interacted with for a number of years; it was suggested as their personal advice and not their professional one. One of them even codenamed it "the cloth of protection" lol.
  - rimunroe 3y ago
    How does an HR person saying something isn’t a lie make it not a lie? If you’re saying something happened which didn’t happen, that’s a lie. A HR person saying it’s okay might indicate that it’s not a lie people would look askance at, but it doesn’t mean it isn’t a lie. As others have said, the correct thing to do here is to just not even list the job on the resume in the first place. No reasonable person expects every single short stint be listed on a resume. I’ve heard three and six months suggested as guidelines for the minimum lengths of jobs one should list. Anything shorter than that probably isn’t worth going into, as you’re still onboarding at that point. Also, people get sick, have sudden illnesses in the family, or otherwise can’t work for a couple months for loads of reasons.
- CalRobert 3y ago
  I've been much better at getting paid well since I started... creatively reframing my comp.
  - CoastalCoder 3y ago
    I hear you. I wasn't suggesting that lying never pays off in some way. And I concede that a policy of honesty might only make sense in some world views / ethical positions.
    - CalRobert 3y ago
      I don't tell my parents how much I make. I'm definitely not telling some random recruiter.
      - CoastalCoder 3y ago
        > I don't tell my parents how much I make. I'm definitely not telling some random recruiter. FWIW, there are ways to not reveal that info, but also not lie. For example, if a recruiter / employer starts fishing for my current salary, I just say "I'm not going to talk about that, but ...", followed by some carefully worded signal about my general salary expectations. If lying in this context doesn't bother you in the slightest, then maybe you won't see value in this approach.
throw9away6 3y ago
Good one easily verifiable by payroll as well because the checks showed up.

There are some good reasons to (as a matter of policy) not lie. IMHO it's better to cast around for the best possible honest framing of the issue.

stefanos82 3y ago
It's not a lie, because this advice came from a number of HRs I interacted with for a number of years; it was suggested as their personal advice and not their professional one. One of them even codenamed it "the cloth of protection" lol.
- rimunroe 3y ago
  How does an HR person saying something isn’t a lie make it not a lie? If you’re saying something happened which didn’t happen, that’s a lie. A HR person saying it’s okay might indicate that it’s not a lie people would look askance at, but it doesn’t mean it isn’t a lie. As others have said, the correct thing to do here is to just not even list the job on the resume in the first place. No reasonable person expects every single short stint be listed on a resume. I’ve heard three and six months suggested as guidelines for the minimum lengths of jobs one should list. Anything shorter than that probably isn’t worth going into, as you’re still onboarding at that point. Also, people get sick, have sudden illnesses in the family, or otherwise can’t work for a couple months for loads of reasons.
CalRobert 3y ago
I've been much better at getting paid well since I started... creatively reframing my comp.
- CoastalCoder 3y ago
  I hear you. I wasn't suggesting that lying never pays off in some way. And I concede that a policy of honesty might only make sense in some world views / ethical positions.
  - CalRobert 3y ago
    I don't tell my parents how much I make. I'm definitely not telling some random recruiter.
    - CoastalCoder 3y ago
      > I don't tell my parents how much I make. I'm definitely not telling some random recruiter. FWIW, there are ways to not reveal that info, but also not lie. For example, if a recruiter / employer starts fishing for my current salary, I just say "I'm not going to talk about that, but ...", followed by some carefully worded signal about my general salary expectations. If lying in this context doesn't bother you in the slightest, then maybe you won't see value in this approach.

throw9away6 3y ago

Good one easily verifiable by payroll as well because the checks showed up.