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Even if the claim that most pop melodies consist of 12 notes is true (which is dubious), the 8^12 number excludes variation in rhythm or the timing between the
by frutiger 3y ago
Even if the claim that most pop melodies consist of 12 notes is true (which is dubious), the 8^12 number excludes variation in rhythm or the timing between the notes which can make a significant impact on the overall feeling of the melody. If you hum/whistle some pop song you know in your head, it is easy to see that the notes aren’t all equally spaced apart in time.
- croes 3y agoTake a popular song, change the rhythm and timing and wait if you get a copyright claim.
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- maccard 3y agoA copyright claim doesn't mean you've copied anything. I can submit a DMCA takedown for any video on youtube by filling out a form [0] and it's fairly likely the video will be pulled. [0] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807622?hl=en-GB https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807622?hl=en-GB
- croes 3y agoThat's my point. And if your plaintiff is a billion dollar company and your resources are limited, that's pretty scarry if you're in the right.
- itronitron 3y agoJapanese Cowboy by Ween. Listen to the song in it's entirety before visiting the wiki page :) https://youtu.be/-WJ7NMQyK2E https://youtu.be/-WJ7NMQyK2E https://www.ween.wiki/wiki/Japanese_Cowboy https://www.ween.wiki/wiki/Japanese_Cowboy
- telotortium 3y agoSeems pretty easy to identify the song it's based on to me (and the original composer even threatened to sue). The rhythm's also pretty similar though.
- itronitron 3y agoIt's an interesting case though because they are clearly different songs. I listened to that song for many years and never once made the connection to the other one until I heard the live version played with the special ending.
- bryanrasmussen 3y agotake a popular song, change the rhythm and timing and maybe change the middle bridge part and change all the lyrics to be something you wrote yourself and wait if you get a copyright claim.
- brookst 3y ago"The copyright system is abused" is a very different claim than "the use of rhythm, rests, and timing greatly increases the original melody space". It's odd to refute one with the other.
- bryanrasmussen 3y agono but look at how this very simple difference will lead to you being sued is very similar to look at how this very simple difference but slightly less simple than the other one and more of a real world scenario really will keep you from being sued. It's very odd to not see the similarity between the two claims and how one exists as a critique of the other.
- PinguTS 3y agoYou know that timing is defined by those notes. Don't know what you mean by rythm. Did you ever played by notes and as such learned to read them?
- bovermyer 3y agoRhythm is the flow of music. It's not just the order of the notes played, but the length they're held and the space in between them. A-B-C is very different than A~~~------B-C~, for example, even if it's still the same three notes in the same order.
- PinguTS 3y agoAnd that is clearly defined by writing down the notes. The length and the space between. That is the reason why we have the 1/1, 1/2, 1/4, … notes. On how those notes are connected and so on.
- henrydark 3y agoWell, he could mean that some notes are connected (where I think we all mean the 8 notes are of equal measure). So between every two consecutive notes you can add a line, multiplying the space by 2^7
- francisofascii 3y agoAgree, but a jury just needs to decide a song sounds similar for it to be a copyright infringement. So a jury may hear the same melody and exclude the variation in their comparison.