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Note that while Cantonese has the phenomenon of changed tones (變音 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changed_tone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changed_tone), it i
by Umofomia 3y ago
Note that while Cantonese has the phenomenon of changed tones (變音 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changed_tone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changed_tone), it is not actually considered tone sandhi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_sandhi#What_tone_sandhi_is_and_what_it_is_not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_sandhi#What_tone_sandhi_i...).
Tone sandhi is phonologically motivated, i.e., the tone changes arise from the pronunciation of the surrounding words, and are thus largely predictable. Cantonese changed tones, however, are generally lexically motivated, i.e., the changed tone is part of the realization of the word itself. Cantonese changed tones are thus more akin to Mandarin's erhua phenomenon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhua https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhua), which is also seemingly as random with regard to the words to which it applies.
> For Cantonese and Jyutping specifically, the tone sandhi is marked as, e.g., «faan4*2»
Note that the Jyutping standard actually doesn't specify how tone changes are marked. I believe the * convention originated at https://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/ https://www.cantonese.sheik.co.uk/ to facilitate Cantonese learning. Wiktionary has adopted a similar convention but using a hyphen (-) instead (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:About_Chinese/Cantonese#Romanisation_considerations https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:About_Chinese/Cant...).
- inkyoto 3y agoIt is true that the tone change in Cantonese is largely predictable due to it having the lexical nature. Since the parent raised a question about a generic solution to the tone marking problem, I thought I would use the tone sandhi as an example of a challenge that compounds the matter. On the other hand, languages such as Hmong exhibit the complex tone sandhi. Tone sandhi is not as pronounced in Cantonese as it is in some other languages. > Note that the Jyutping standard actually doesn't specify how tone changes are marked. No, it does not, and whether an asterisk or a dash is used, it is largely immaterial. What is important, though, is that not every Cantonese dictionary marks off a lexical tone change which might misguide the learner or the seasonal reader.