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RHEL doesn't really care about supporting desktop users, so they're trimming fat. They don't need X and Wayland to nominally support workstation use, just one

RHEL doesn't really care about supporting desktop users, so they're trimming fat. They don't need X and Wayland to nominally support workstation use, just one of those is enough to sell workstation support contracts to executives who won't even be using it themselves.. Debian on the other hand cares about keeping desktop users happy, so it makes sense to support both.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
Nonsense. Why am I able to file a bug in Fedora and a Red Hat engineer will work on it then?
- George83728 3y ago
  Will they continue to do so, on company time, for packages that are no longer in any supported version of RHEL? I think they fix bugs that presently or will effect both Fedora and RHEL, or do more in their free time because they are themselves enthusiasts and not just corporate workers.
- qbrass 3y ago
  The bug affects something a paying customer uses.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
    So they do care about desktop users?
    - George83728 3y ago
      They care about fulfilling the workstation support contracts. But if they can reduce the scope of what it means to support workstation support contracts, it is in their interest to do so. They respond to X bugs right now because right now X is still in versions of RHEL they support. When that is no longer true, do you really expect them to continue supporting X on other distros?
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- ossusermivami 3y ago
  because they work on opensource and don't necessary need to have it in rhel to fix for the fedora users? but if you ask for a bugfix on Xorg needing a large amount of time to spent on it probably not going to be worked on...
  - worthless-trash 3y ago
    Dave Airlie the guy who maintains the AMD drivers works for Red Hat, on xorg and wayland and the KMS that both use. Not including xorg in RHEL doesn't prevent people from running xorg on rhel. The question is, why would you ? Red Hat is aiming at the server market and the cloud, not the desktop.
pkaye 3y ago
So Debian will keep making bug fixes for X?
ranger_danger 3y ago
Except many important corporate apps like ̶Z̶o̶o̶m̶, WebEx and Skype still don't work on Wayland.
- bzzzt 3y ago
  And why would they ever fix it if users can easily switch back to Xorg?
  - ranger_danger 3y ago
    They won't be able to in RHEL10, they're going to remove it entirely. I presume other distros will do the same in time.
aforwardslash 3y ago
If that was the case, they'd be picking xorg and not wayland. You see, official certified drivers are closed-source, and they are buggy as hell in wayland. You seem to assume a workstation is a desktop computer with a gui.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

Nonsense. Why am I able to file a bug in Fedora and a Red Hat engineer will work on it then?

George83728 3y ago
Will they continue to do so, on company time, for packages that are no longer in any supported version of RHEL? I think they fix bugs that presently or will effect both Fedora and RHEL, or do more in their free time because they are themselves enthusiasts and not just corporate workers.
qbrass 3y ago
The bug affects something a paying customer uses.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  So they do care about desktop users?
  - George83728 3y ago
    They care about fulfilling the workstation support contracts. But if they can reduce the scope of what it means to support workstation support contracts, it is in their interest to do so. They respond to X bugs right now because right now X is still in versions of RHEL they support. When that is no longer true, do you really expect them to continue supporting X on other distros?
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ossusermivami 3y ago
because they work on opensource and don't necessary need to have it in rhel to fix for the fedora users? but if you ask for a bugfix on Xorg needing a large amount of time to spent on it probably not going to be worked on...
- worthless-trash 3y ago
  Dave Airlie the guy who maintains the AMD drivers works for Red Hat, on xorg and wayland and the KMS that both use. Not including xorg in RHEL doesn't prevent people from running xorg on rhel. The question is, why would you ? Red Hat is aiming at the server market and the cloud, not the desktop.

pkaye 3y ago

So Debian will keep making bug fixes for X?

ranger_danger 3y ago

Except many important corporate apps like ̶Z̶o̶o̶m̶, WebEx and Skype still don't work on Wayland.

bzzzt 3y ago
And why would they ever fix it if users can easily switch back to Xorg?
- ranger_danger 3y ago
  They won't be able to in RHEL10, they're going to remove it entirely. I presume other distros will do the same in time.

aforwardslash 3y ago

If that was the case, they'd be picking xorg and not wayland. You see, official certified drivers are closed-source, and they are buggy as hell in wayland. You seem to assume a workstation is a desktop computer with a gui.