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"monopoly on developer ecosystem" GitHub? fair OpenAI? how is this a part of dev. ecosystem? Vs Code? wtf? there's a lot of other IDEs/editors and many would

"monopoly on developer ecosystem" GitHub? fair OpenAI? how is this a part of dev. ecosystem? Vs Code? wtf? there's a lot of other IDEs/editors and many would argue that they are better >embrace, extend, extinguish strategy with WSL They are EEEing their product - Windows?

VirusNewbie 3y ago
I mean google uses VSCode internally as their officially supported IDE… i’d say they’re doing pretty well.
- garybuk 3y ago
  No it's based on theia
- ipaddr 3y ago
  Because of products created before VSCode
  - VirusNewbie 3y ago
    What do you mean?
    - ipaddr 3y ago
      They are doing well because of products and market share they held before using vscode. So it's unrelated success.
      - VirusNewbie 3y ago
        I meant, VSCode is pretty successful if it can get Google to switch over to using it.
capableweb 3y ago
> > embrace, extend, extinguish strategy with WSL > They are EEEing their product - Windows? No, Linux obviously. First they like and integrate Linux into their own products. Azure, WSL and others. Then, they provide extensions that are closed-source on top of those. With the goal to extinguish the original project so they have more control over the direction.
- CodexArcana 3y ago
  If it was that easy to kill Linux it would have happened already. Chad Linux, open source free software, withstanding the full might of the multi billion dollar juggernaut Microsoft.
  - mobiuscog 3y ago
    They're still doing their best to kill Linux on the desktop. Notice how, as much as .net core is cross-platform, the desktop UI side of MAUI is absolutely not, and left 'to the community'. They do not want to enable desktop developers under Linux, as they know that a decent environment would likely remove any need for Windows in that space.
- grammarxcore 3y ago
  WSL has been out for at least five years now and it’s still just a fancy kernel adapter without feature parity. I might begin to worry once things like containers actually work properly. Until then, I don’t think Microsoft has fully embraced Linux much less extended it. I did just now learn that systemd was finally added to WSL. Originally that was never going to be added and back in the days of WSL 1 I remember the WSL writing blog posts about that being ridiculous. Who knows, proper container support might be added soon.
  - pxc 3y ago
    Containers do work in WSL2, although you hit Hyper-V bugs if you spin up very many of them. WSL2 is the basis of Docker Desktop and similar apps. Microsoft has also already added proprietary extensions to WSL2, like the integration with the VSCode remote development plugin and DirectX passthrough for machine learning and maybe other things (there's a DirectX driver on Linux which is usable only on WSL guests).
lelandfe 3y ago
> Vs Code? wtf? there's a lot of other IDEs/editors and many would argue that they are better VS Code is hugely dominant in terms of IDEs used by developers per the StackOverflow survey. It commands more than double the percentage of the next most used… and the second place is Visual Studio. https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technologies-new-collab-tools https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technolog...
- coffeebeqn 3y ago
  VSCode is just the lowest common denominator IDE that works decently with most languages and platforms, I use it a lot but would not think twice about switching to something else (as I have many times in my career). I don’t think it really has any “moat”
  - tipsytoad 3y ago
    Lol. Except the huge library of plugins, tight copilot integration and majority market share
    - fomine3 3y ago
      and Remote Development extensions
- lolinder 3y ago
  Those numbers are a bit misleading because they split up the JetBrains products, making JetBrains look like a smaller market than it actually is. If you add up all their tools, they hit 94% to VS Code's 74%. Obviously there are a lot of people using multiple JetBrains tools and that bloats that number, but the huge difference demonstrates how flawed SO's numbers are for gauging market share. Also, I suspect that most people who mark a JetBrains IDE also mark a secondary editor that's lighter weight, but it's hard to tell how that all breaks down with the way they present the data. I spend about 90% of my work day in WebStorm and occasionally move over to VSCode for loading a large directory that I don't want to index. When I filled out the survey, due to they way they worded it, I marked both tools.

VirusNewbie 3y ago

I mean google uses VSCode internally as their officially supported IDE… i’d say they’re doing pretty well.

garybuk 3y ago
No it's based on theia
ipaddr 3y ago
Because of products created before VSCode
- VirusNewbie 3y ago
  What do you mean?
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    They are doing well because of products and market share they held before using vscode. So it's unrelated success.
    - VirusNewbie 3y ago
      I meant, VSCode is pretty successful if it can get Google to switch over to using it.

capableweb 3y ago

> > embrace, extend, extinguish strategy with WSL > They are EEEing their product - Windows? No, Linux obviously. First they like and integrate Linux into their own products. Azure, WSL and others. Then, they provide extensions that are closed-source on top of those. With the goal to extinguish the original project so they have more control over the direction.

CodexArcana 3y ago
If it was that easy to kill Linux it would have happened already. Chad Linux, open source free software, withstanding the full might of the multi billion dollar juggernaut Microsoft.
- mobiuscog 3y ago
  They're still doing their best to kill Linux on the desktop. Notice how, as much as .net core is cross-platform, the desktop UI side of MAUI is absolutely not, and left 'to the community'. They do not want to enable desktop developers under Linux, as they know that a decent environment would likely remove any need for Windows in that space.
grammarxcore 3y ago
WSL has been out for at least five years now and it’s still just a fancy kernel adapter without feature parity. I might begin to worry once things like containers actually work properly. Until then, I don’t think Microsoft has fully embraced Linux much less extended it. I did just now learn that systemd was finally added to WSL. Originally that was never going to be added and back in the days of WSL 1 I remember the WSL writing blog posts about that being ridiculous. Who knows, proper container support might be added soon.
- pxc 3y ago
  Containers do work in WSL2, although you hit Hyper-V bugs if you spin up very many of them. WSL2 is the basis of Docker Desktop and similar apps. Microsoft has also already added proprietary extensions to WSL2, like the integration with the VSCode remote development plugin and DirectX passthrough for machine learning and maybe other things (there's a DirectX driver on Linux which is usable only on WSL guests).

lelandfe 3y ago

> Vs Code? wtf? there's a lot of other IDEs/editors and many would argue that they are better VS Code is hugely dominant in terms of IDEs used by developers per the StackOverflow survey. It commands more than double the percentage of the next most used… and the second place is Visual Studio. https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technologies-new-collab-tools https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technolog...

coffeebeqn 3y ago
VSCode is just the lowest common denominator IDE that works decently with most languages and platforms, I use it a lot but would not think twice about switching to something else (as I have many times in my career). I don’t think it really has any “moat”
- tipsytoad 3y ago
  Lol. Except the huge library of plugins, tight copilot integration and majority market share
  - fomine3 3y ago
    and Remote Development extensions
lolinder 3y ago
Those numbers are a bit misleading because they split up the JetBrains products, making JetBrains look like a smaller market than it actually is. If you add up all their tools, they hit 94% to VS Code's 74%. Obviously there are a lot of people using multiple JetBrains tools and that bloats that number, but the huge difference demonstrates how flawed SO's numbers are for gauging market share. Also, I suspect that most people who mark a JetBrains IDE also mark a secondary editor that's lighter weight, but it's hard to tell how that all breaks down with the way they present the data. I spend about 90% of my work day in WebStorm and occasionally move over to VSCode for loading a large directory that I don't want to index. When I filled out the survey, due to they way they worded it, I marked both tools.