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That's sad, I was hoping to soften the impact by taking K2 supplements now before I get old. What else beside K2 would you recommend for a healthy cardiovascula

• candiddevmike 3y ago
  I almost started taking natto/serra supplements but there's too many reports of it causing bleeding. Seems like natto as a food (fermented soy) is better, but I can't source it locally.
  • bitL 3y ago
    Yeah, I have heard of that. But natto is supposed to be rich in K2, some K2 supplements are made out of natto.
  • snapplebobapple 3y ago
    If you have asians in your city you probably can, you just have to find their markets and look for the frozen natto in little styrofoam containers
• lr4444lr 3y ago
  Cardiovascular exercise at various intensities, done almost every day, and high quality sleep. Supplement and nutrition research as a disease prophylactic (aside from avoiding the usual suspects) is nowhere near as solid what we know about exercise and rest.
  • bitL 3y ago
    OK, good point. Assuming 60 minutes of on average moderate cardio a day, which supplements would you recommend?
    • tharkun__ 3y ago
      I would supplement with swiss chard. Really good as the "green" in bacon and scrambled eggs but if kale or collard greens are more your thing I would supplement that to your favorite dish instead.
    • lr4444lr 3y ago
      I don't think you'll go wrong with omega3. I take it, it seems to have a low adverse risk profile.
• gleenn 3y ago
  Capsaicin is supposed to be good as per a news article I can't seem to find but agree with sibling comment that exercise and sleep as well as low cholesterol diet are all good. (Edited phrasing)
• jodrellblank 3y ago
  I don’t recommend it per se, but Dr William Davis’ HeartScan blog makes the testable claim that there is a relatively cheap noninvasive scan which gives a good proxy measure of calcium buildup in the heart, and that using it he has interventions which measurably reduce such buildup, and they overlap with common alternate diets like reduced wheat, carbs, I forget what else. I’m not claiming this is right, but if it is both testable and measurable and not just unsupported claims, it seems it should get more attention. He’s also a cardiologist not an internet tree doctor. I don’t know if he’s a quack. [Edit: https://drdavisinfinitehealth.com/2019/03/why-you-should-get-a-ct-heart-scan/ https://drdavisinfinitehealth.com/2019/03/why-you-should-get... saying "When you get a CT heart scan [...] you’re given a score. What that score is, is the volume of calcium in your heart’s arteries. People go “Why are we measuring calcium?” One, it’s easy to see on a CT scan, so is thereby easy to quantify. [...] Calcium occupies 20% of total atherosclerotic plaque volume. So it’s a gauge, a dipstick, for the amount of plaque you have in your arteries. It doesn’t tell you about blockage [...] A heart catheterization would tell you stuff like: there’s a blockage halfway down, that’s blocking 70 percent of flow. [...] A heart scan tells you something like this: in this 1 foot long piece of iron pipe, there’s 273.85 cubic millimeters of rust — two different perspectives on the same disease. A heart scan gives you a score, a calcium score. Normal is zero. The higher the score, the more plaque you have, and the more likely it is that can lead to heart attack and abnormal symptoms. There’s no specific cutoff. You can’t say “at a score of 500 you likely have a 70% block”. You can’t say things like that. Though, the higher it does go, it does indeed suggest greater potential for a blockage, that blocks flow." "Let’s say you have a score of 500, what now? Well, those of you who have been following along my programs, know that all the things that I do: the Wheat Belly Total Health program, the Undoctored Wild-Naked-Unwashed program — all those programs, the prescriptive part of the programs, came from my efforts to reduce heart scan scores, or at least stop them from increasing. If we do nothing, if you have a heart scan score, say, of 500, and you do nothing, the score goes up 25% per year. What if you take a statin drug, an aspirin, and cut the fat in your diet — cut the saturated fat, and exercise? How fast does your heart scan score go up? 25% per yearThose conventional solutions do nothing to prevent plaque from growing. [...] Those strategies that I put together over the years, and we showed that you could reduce heart scan scores, or at least put a stop to the continual rise. [...] You can actually see on the heart scan images, you see can see the plaque has shrunk (at least the calcium part of it has shrunk)." ] Where else have you seen claims of lifestyle interventions that will stop the growth of calcium buildup/atherosclerotic plaque, or even reduce it, that aren't just backed by argument but by a $150 common proper hospital non-woo test that can show whether it's working or not?
• Alex3917 3y ago
  If you do the 8 things the CDC says to do, you're already in the top 1% of the US population for cardiovascular health. Just doing those things is going to be a lot more effective than taking any supplements.
• kypro 3y ago
  Before you randomly start popping supplements the first thing you should be doing if you care about maintaining a healthy cardiovascular system is getting regular blood tests, ideally at least one a year. Not managing high triglycerides or high LDL cholesterol will put you at a much higher risk than not taking any specific supplement. Some people are genetically prone to heart disease in which case monitoring your cholesterol and taking pharmaceuticals to manage it (if needed) can significantly reduce your risk. The other thing you should do before you start popping supplements is get your diet right. Reducing sugar, eating less processed foods, consuming healthy fats (especially EPA), and intermittent fasting – these will all help dramatically more than taking any supplement. Then there is exercise. Doing a 20-30 mins of high intensity exercise a few days a week will help reduce your resting heart rate, improve your metabolism and help maintain a healthy cardiovascular system. The only supplement I think there is currently good evidence to take for heart health is high dose EPA, but it's pretty expensive... I use Pharmepa Restore personally which I take due to a family history of heart disease. High quality fish oil supplements with DHA and EPA probably have a minor benefit, while cheap fish oil supplements are probably mostly useless for several reasons. If you're going to take fish oil for heart health take one that's pharma-grade and high in EPA.
  • bitL 3y ago
    Unfortunately, plasma levels of many elements don't tell you if you aren't deficient already. For many tissue deficiencies you need to do e.g. radioactive scans which nobody will do for you. You can be vitamin deficient, potassium deficient etc. and plasma deficiency will show up only when you are really at the edge of something chronic or death. See e.g.: https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(18)30227-1/fulltext https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(18)...
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  • lr4444lr 3y ago
    Gonna add in here for those of y'all US-based: get tested for apoB levels regularly, and once in your life (the sooner the better) for lp(a). They are not part of the typical panel ordered by most primary care/internists. If these are high and your doctor doesn't know what to do about it, talk to a cardiologist.
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• bgilly 3y ago
  Do you do any exercise or strength training?
  • bitL 3y ago
    Sure, but even some super fit folks end up with atherosclerosis due to genetics so if there are any supplements that prevent it, that would be nice.