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> If so, still, I would love to see reliable polling for his sustained support in any prominent, extant Ukrainian political movement. You don't need polling be
by pastacacioepepe 3y ago
> If so, still, I would love to see reliable polling for his sustained support in any prominent, extant Ukrainian political movement.
You don't need polling because the glorification of Bandera is so blatant that you have to willingly look the other way to not see it.
Here are some videos of the torchlight processions performed to commemorate him every year in many cities of Ukraine including Kiev, Lviv, Lutsk, Dnipro, Kherson, Sloviansk, Zaporizhzhia and so on.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHhGEiwCHZE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHhGEiwCHZE
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHgcaag9R60 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHgcaag9R60
- bonus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDzfupUAE00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDzfupUAE00
"On 1 January 2014, Bandera's 105th birthday was celebrated by a torchlight procession of 15,000 people in the centre of Kyiv and thousands more rallied near his statue in Lviv."[0]
In contrast in 2019 in Kiev the most partecipated Ukrainian gay pride ever took place, barely half the people showed up.
Anyway if you really want a poll, they did it and it shows that 74% of Ukrainians have a positive view of him[1]. Weird and convenient how this information is excluded from the english version of the WP Bandera page.
> Because from what I see, it remains a problematic pocket of the Ukrainian population, and one to a large degree under Russian occupation.
Quite the opposite. The western part of Ukraine has far more positive views of Bandera. See the map of cities where Bandera has receive onorary titles[2].
.0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera#Commemoration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera#Commemoration
.1: https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87#%D0%93%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%BA%D0%B0 https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5...
.2: https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87#%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5...
- rovolo 3y agoThis is the first time I've heard of Bandera, but skimming the wiki articles these dates and numbers lack some context which I think is important. "On 1 January 2014", this was during the Euromaidan period. There were earlier rallies, including "50,000 to 200,000" on 2013-11-24. Anti-protest laws were enacted 2014-01-16. Yanukovych was impeached on 2014-02-23. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Euromaidan#1%E2%80%9315_January_2014 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Euromaidan#1%E... "Anyway if you really want a poll, they did it and it shows that 74% of Ukrainians have a positive view of him." This poll was conducted 2022-05-04, only 2.5 months after Russia invaded Ukraine on 2022-02-24. In comparison, a 2021-05 poll found 32% positive, 32% negative, and 21% mixed. (The 2021 poll was included on the UK wiki page right before the 2022 poll.) https://uk-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true#%D0%93%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%BA%D0%B0 https://uk-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_... "Weird and convenient how this information is excluded from the english version of the WP Bandera page." This specific poll is in the English version of the WP page under "Attitudes in Ukraine towards Bandera". It was added sometime around 2022-06 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&diff=1101561097&oldid=1092247056#Attitudes_in_Ukraine_towards_Bandera https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&di...