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When you include car titles, something people lose constantly and costs $15 to replace at the DMV... It makes me wonder about all the other things you listed be

When you include car titles, something people lose constantly and costs $15 to replace at the DMV... It makes me wonder about all the other things you listed being easy to replace also and you're just trying to explain why you got a safe for paperwork. My mother guards her social security card and passport like they are the keys to life. She was absolutely shocked that I let a scooter rental shop in Vietnam hold my passport as collateral. People lose or get robbed of everything important all the time. There's a process for everything. I rather not worry and just live my life and deal with things as they come, not worrying so much.

tristor 3y ago
> People lose or get robbed of everything important all the time. There's a process for everything. I rather not worry and just live my life and deal with things as they come, not worrying so much. You have a much rosier picture of things than I have. I have had to learn the hard way about some of these things, it sounds like you've been lucky so get to be happy-go-lucky. I hope you continue to have good luck in your life. Car titles are only easy to replace while you retain possession of the vehicle and are the recorded owner in the DMV database. If someone steals the car + title (which happened to me once when I foolishly did what many people do and left the title in the glove box), they can easily re-register the vehicle to themselves and you have basically no recourse unless you can conclusively prove they forged your signature or fraudulently registered the vehicle. Once the successfully record the title change you are pretty screwed, as the saying goes "possession is 9/10s of the law", and it's sadly pretty true. You'd think reporting a car stolen to the police would block someone re-registering it, but that wasn't the case then. It was over 15 years ago, maybe things are better now as much vehicles are electronically titled, but I'd still recommend not losing it. Maybe my viewpoint is simply a matter of age. Things are much more electronic now and paperwork is less important because there are electronic records. On the flip side, if the electronic records are wrong, sometimes paperwork is the only thing you have to prove that.
- slt2021 3y ago
  If you call police and report your car stolen the next day it is stolen - police report will be your argument and you not only will get your car back, also whoever re-registered vehicle will go to jail (also a state Notary who verified forged signature will go to jail as well) most stolen cars go to spare parts or export to Global South as junk/scrap and you can't do that without DMV re-registration. if you truly have modern car (like BMW 2017 or newer), then you can just disable and lock it remotely from an app, and geolocate it.
  - nicenewtemp84 3y ago
    Almost no states I have bought and sold cars in requires a notary to do any regular title transfer.
    - slt2021 3y ago
      pls give me a state name, from my experience all state will require either in-person presence of an owner (verified by ID) or a notary who verified the signature of title holder for transfer
      - nicenewtemp84 3y ago
        California for starters with all 35 million residents. Nevada. Arizona. Oregon. Washington.
        slt2021 3y ago
        but the seller will have to be present and DMV verifies his ID. You can't just steal a car with a title of somebody's name and transfer toy ourself, without the original owner and his ID present?
        nicenewtemp84 3y ago
        No the seller will not have to be present. No ID will have to be shown by anyone ever at any point.
- nicenewtemp84 3y ago
  Part of being happy go lucky involves not being totally oblivious. There's a big difference between worrying enough to put your car title inside a $5k safe, and worrying so little you keep it inside the car itself.
- mulmen 3y ago
  > You'd think reporting a car stolen to the police would block someone re-registering it, but that wasn't the case then. Uh, why would that work? Reporting the car stolen should require proof of ownership to prevent denial of service attacks. Someone cuts you off on the freeway? Report their car stolen.

tristor 3y ago

> People lose or get robbed of everything important all the time. There's a process for everything. I rather not worry and just live my life and deal with things as they come, not worrying so much. You have a much rosier picture of things than I have. I have had to learn the hard way about some of these things, it sounds like you've been lucky so get to be happy-go-lucky. I hope you continue to have good luck in your life. Car titles are only easy to replace while you retain possession of the vehicle and are the recorded owner in the DMV database. If someone steals the car + title (which happened to me once when I foolishly did what many people do and left the title in the glove box), they can easily re-register the vehicle to themselves and you have basically no recourse unless you can conclusively prove they forged your signature or fraudulently registered the vehicle. Once the successfully record the title change you are pretty screwed, as the saying goes "possession is 9/10s of the law", and it's sadly pretty true. You'd think reporting a car stolen to the police would block someone re-registering it, but that wasn't the case then. It was over 15 years ago, maybe things are better now as much vehicles are electronically titled, but I'd still recommend not losing it. Maybe my viewpoint is simply a matter of age. Things are much more electronic now and paperwork is less important because there are electronic records. On the flip side, if the electronic records are wrong, sometimes paperwork is the only thing you have to prove that.

slt2021 3y ago
If you call police and report your car stolen the next day it is stolen - police report will be your argument and you not only will get your car back, also whoever re-registered vehicle will go to jail (also a state Notary who verified forged signature will go to jail as well) most stolen cars go to spare parts or export to Global South as junk/scrap and you can't do that without DMV re-registration. if you truly have modern car (like BMW 2017 or newer), then you can just disable and lock it remotely from an app, and geolocate it.
- nicenewtemp84 3y ago
  Almost no states I have bought and sold cars in requires a notary to do any regular title transfer.
  - slt2021 3y ago
    pls give me a state name, from my experience all state will require either in-person presence of an owner (verified by ID) or a notary who verified the signature of title holder for transfer
    - nicenewtemp84 3y ago
      California for starters with all 35 million residents. Nevada. Arizona. Oregon. Washington.
      - slt2021 3y ago
        but the seller will have to be present and DMV verifies his ID. You can't just steal a car with a title of somebody's name and transfer toy ourself, without the original owner and his ID present?
        nicenewtemp84 3y ago
        No the seller will not have to be present. No ID will have to be shown by anyone ever at any point.
nicenewtemp84 3y ago
Part of being happy go lucky involves not being totally oblivious. There's a big difference between worrying enough to put your car title inside a $5k safe, and worrying so little you keep it inside the car itself.
mulmen 3y ago
> You'd think reporting a car stolen to the police would block someone re-registering it, but that wasn't the case then. Uh, why would that work? Reporting the car stolen should require proof of ownership to prevent denial of service attacks. Someone cuts you off on the freeway? Report their car stolen.