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Laos and Thailand have also set all-time records during this heat wave https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Asia_heat_wave https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Asia

Laos and Thailand have also set all-time records during this heat wave https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Asia_heat_wave https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Asia_heat_wave

nielsbot 3y ago
See you this time next year for 2024_Asia_heat_wave
DoreenMichele 3y ago
Please keep in mind humans have only been recording temps since like the 1700s and some sources start their data in 1910 which is when such recordings were finally standardized. https://qz.com/1055629/why-does-all-our-climate-data-start-in-1880 https://qz.com/1055629/why-does-all-our-climate-data-start-i... https://inews.co.uk/news/environment/weather-records-when-begin-data-climate-change-1910-temperature-325504 https://inews.co.uk/news/environment/weather-records-when-be... So if you are imagining "Wow, the hottest it's been in thousands of years", no. Our records don't go back that far. We don't really know what this all means nor where it's going.
- wk_end 3y ago
  We know perfectly well what this all means and where it's going.
  - DoreenMichele 3y ago
    No we don't. As one of my professors said: We're like flees on the butt of a dog trying to figure out which way the dog is going. We are seeing new species emerge. We are seeing lions eat seafood when that wasn't previously the norm. We are seeing things no one predicted. To be clear, I'm not saying "Don't worry! Be happy!" I'm saying we routinely talk like we know things with a certainty that doesn't actually exist.
- nikanj 3y ago
  I think our written history would mention it getting so hot that tens of thousands died, temperature records or not. Before AC, +44C would slay
- kibwen 3y ago
  Please see the timeline of Earth's average temperature for the past 20,000 years: https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/
  - DoreenMichele 3y ago
    Those temps are not actually based on human records. They are based on models and inference and we sometimes realize at some point that a thing contained some error or erroneous assumption. I stand by my statement.
    - kibwen 3y ago
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      - pixxel 3y ago
        The researchers.
      - revelio 3y ago
        The models aren't based on observations and are regularly contradicted by them. GCMs are based on, in theory, physical laws. In practice they don't compute the right temperatures even for today, or the past, so we know they are incorrect or incomplete. Unfortunately nobody really knows why and this fact is hidden by only showing their outputs as self-anomalies, amongst other tricks.
    - SamPatt 3y ago
      I think your point is a good one, there's some arrogance in assuming our short observations can be extrapolated forward, yet pointing this out is frowned upon. My guess is people fear inaction on climate change, so they are comfortable with working on incomplete information, and willing to pretend (consciously or not) that climate is well understood.
      - DoreenMichele 3y ago
        I've lived without a car in the US for a lot of years. I'm a few classes short of a BS in Environmental Studies, intended as preparation for a Masters in Planning. I do plenty of research and I produce resources for fostering constructive change which mostly don't have traction. It seems like big feels in online forums is the extent of it for too many people.
- PicassoCTs 3y ago
  We get it, we all have our rituals when facing our mortality. Some pray, some weep, some just give up. But this ritual pseudo scientific chanting in the face of catastrophe is not only wrong, its unnecessary. Our children know nothing different. For them the world they will inherit will always have been that way. The heat belt refugees will always have migrated north. And for the older generations its barely relevant, except to calm our nerves. Nobody blames anyone for this mess. This is how young species goes. This is why the galaxy is empty. We walk into the filter and are gone. Nothing to be afraid of. Acceptance is peace.
  - DoreenMichele 3y ago
    I'm not afraid of death. I live with a genetic disorder. I'm a former military wife. I'm also an environmental studies major.
    - spacemadness 3y ago
      Since this is your field of study, you probably want to provide some backup scientific references beyond “my professor said.”
      - DoreenMichele 3y ago
        I provided links in my very first comment backing up my factually correct statement.
        spacemadness 3y ago
        No, you provided nothing of merit to back up your conclusion which is that predictions can’t be made due to lack of data and nature is too unpredictable so everyone move along. Those pop science articles referencing a tweet isn’t enough for that claim.
- theironhammer 3y ago
  It's climate ACCELERATED change that is the problem. The earth has undergone many climate changes over time. The ice-age 10,000 years ago for example. The change is slow. Plants and animals have time to adjust to changes. But current global warming appears to be occuring at a rapid rate. Volcanic eruptions expelling massive amounts of smoke and ash and huge meteorites hitting the earth have also triggered rapid climate changes.

Laos and Thailand have also set all-time records during this heat wave https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Asia_heat_wave https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Asia_heat_wave

nielsbot 3y ago

See you this time next year for 2024_Asia_heat_wave

DoreenMichele 3y ago

Please keep in mind humans have only been recording temps since like the 1700s and some sources start their data in 1910 which is when such recordings were finally standardized. https://qz.com/1055629/why-does-all-our-climate-data-start-in-1880 https://qz.com/1055629/why-does-all-our-climate-data-start-i... https://inews.co.uk/news/environment/weather-records-when-begin-data-climate-change-1910-temperature-325504 https://inews.co.uk/news/environment/weather-records-when-be... So if you are imagining "Wow, the hottest it's been in thousands of years", no. Our records don't go back that far. We don't really know what this all means nor where it's going.

wk_end 3y ago
We know perfectly well what this all means and where it's going.
- DoreenMichele 3y ago
  No we don't. As one of my professors said: We're like flees on the butt of a dog trying to figure out which way the dog is going. We are seeing new species emerge. We are seeing lions eat seafood when that wasn't previously the norm. We are seeing things no one predicted. To be clear, I'm not saying "Don't worry! Be happy!" I'm saying we routinely talk like we know things with a certainty that doesn't actually exist.
nikanj 3y ago
I think our written history would mention it getting so hot that tens of thousands died, temperature records or not. Before AC, +44C would slay
kibwen 3y ago
Please see the timeline of Earth's average temperature for the past 20,000 years: https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/
- DoreenMichele 3y ago
  Those temps are not actually based on human records. They are based on models and inference and we sometimes realize at some point that a thing contained some error or erroneous assumption. I stand by my statement.
  - kibwen 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - pixxel 3y ago
      The researchers.
    - revelio 3y ago
      The models aren't based on observations and are regularly contradicted by them. GCMs are based on, in theory, physical laws. In practice they don't compute the right temperatures even for today, or the past, so we know they are incorrect or incomplete. Unfortunately nobody really knows why and this fact is hidden by only showing their outputs as self-anomalies, amongst other tricks.
  - SamPatt 3y ago
    I think your point is a good one, there's some arrogance in assuming our short observations can be extrapolated forward, yet pointing this out is frowned upon. My guess is people fear inaction on climate change, so they are comfortable with working on incomplete information, and willing to pretend (consciously or not) that climate is well understood.
    - DoreenMichele 3y ago
      I've lived without a car in the US for a lot of years. I'm a few classes short of a BS in Environmental Studies, intended as preparation for a Masters in Planning. I do plenty of research and I produce resources for fostering constructive change which mostly don't have traction. It seems like big feels in online forums is the extent of it for too many people.
PicassoCTs 3y ago
We get it, we all have our rituals when facing our mortality. Some pray, some weep, some just give up. But this ritual pseudo scientific chanting in the face of catastrophe is not only wrong, its unnecessary. Our children know nothing different. For them the world they will inherit will always have been that way. The heat belt refugees will always have migrated north. And for the older generations its barely relevant, except to calm our nerves. Nobody blames anyone for this mess. This is how young species goes. This is why the galaxy is empty. We walk into the filter and are gone. Nothing to be afraid of. Acceptance is peace.
- DoreenMichele 3y ago
  I'm not afraid of death. I live with a genetic disorder. I'm a former military wife. I'm also an environmental studies major.
  - spacemadness 3y ago
    Since this is your field of study, you probably want to provide some backup scientific references beyond “my professor said.”
    - DoreenMichele 3y ago
      I provided links in my very first comment backing up my factually correct statement.
      - spacemadness 3y ago
        No, you provided nothing of merit to back up your conclusion which is that predictions can’t be made due to lack of data and nature is too unpredictable so everyone move along. Those pop science articles referencing a tweet isn’t enough for that claim.
theironhammer 3y ago
It's climate ACCELERATED change that is the problem. The earth has undergone many climate changes over time. The ice-age 10,000 years ago for example. The change is slow. Plants and animals have time to adjust to changes. But current global warming appears to be occuring at a rapid rate. Volcanic eruptions expelling massive amounts of smoke and ash and huge meteorites hitting the earth have also triggered rapid climate changes.