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> Vietnam’s record was measured indoors at Hoi Xuan station Is it usual to take such measurements indoors?

by jl6 3y ago

Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago
It's a public place full of people, so why not. I wonder how close that is to a max wet bulb temp that person can tolerate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature
- TallGuyShort 3y ago
  It's a meaningful measurement of how pleasant it is to work in that building, but it's a bit of a silly detail to sneak in to an article that's primarily about climate change, because things like the building construction, the density, the activities, etc. all impact the temperature far more. How far is this off of normal temperatures? What's the outside temperature? Was the previous record also taken inside? Have to go look outside the article for all of that, and yet it's the headline. edit: sometimes climate science journalism feels like an exercise in trying to hand strawman arguments to deniers, which doesn't help anyone.
  - slily 3y ago
    Some might label you a denier for questioning the conditions of this measurement at all (or more charitably a "skeptic", which is almost as bad nowadays). I'd wager that many people publicly labeled as deniers are simply guilty of not panicking hard enough. Cherry-picked measurements and pessimistic models have long been standard in climate science, so one should take every headline with a grain of salt. That doesn't mean denying that anthropogenic climate change is real, but as with any contentious issue, after being viciously attacked once or twice for pointing that out, I've learned to shut my mouth on most forums.
- kleton 3y ago
  The sea surface temperature gives a good indicator of wet bulb temperature. Right now that shows as about 30 degrees.
  - airstrike 3y ago
    And from the linked Wikipedia article "theoretical limit to human survival for more than a few hours in the shade, even with unlimited water, is a wet-bulb temperature of 35 °C (95 °F)" OK, that's not comforting at all
joshuahedlund 3y ago
Seems doubtful. Although 44.2C was apparently recorded a day later, in another location[0] [0]https://twitter.com/extremetemps/status/1655247154380783617 https://twitter.com/extremetemps/status/1655247154380783617

> Vietnam’s record was measured indoors at Hoi Xuan station Is it usual to take such measurements indoors?

by jl6 3y ago

> Vietnam’s record was measured indoors at Hoi Xuan station Is it usual to take such measurements indoors?

It's a public place full of people, so why not. I wonder how close that is to a max wet bulb temp that person can tolerate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature

TallGuyShort 3y ago
It's a meaningful measurement of how pleasant it is to work in that building, but it's a bit of a silly detail to sneak in to an article that's primarily about climate change, because things like the building construction, the density, the activities, etc. all impact the temperature far more. How far is this off of normal temperatures? What's the outside temperature? Was the previous record also taken inside? Have to go look outside the article for all of that, and yet it's the headline. edit: sometimes climate science journalism feels like an exercise in trying to hand strawman arguments to deniers, which doesn't help anyone.
- slily 3y ago
  Some might label you a denier for questioning the conditions of this measurement at all (or more charitably a "skeptic", which is almost as bad nowadays). I'd wager that many people publicly labeled as deniers are simply guilty of not panicking hard enough. Cherry-picked measurements and pessimistic models have long been standard in climate science, so one should take every headline with a grain of salt. That doesn't mean denying that anthropogenic climate change is real, but as with any contentious issue, after being viciously attacked once or twice for pointing that out, I've learned to shut my mouth on most forums.
kleton 3y ago
The sea surface temperature gives a good indicator of wet bulb temperature. Right now that shows as about 30 degrees.
- airstrike 3y ago
  And from the linked Wikipedia article "theoretical limit to human survival for more than a few hours in the shade, even with unlimited water, is a wet-bulb temperature of 35 °C (95 °F)" OK, that's not comforting at all

joshuahedlund 3y ago

Seems doubtful. Although 44.2C was apparently recorded a day later, in another location[0] [0]https://twitter.com/extremetemps/status/1655247154380783617 https://twitter.com/extremetemps/status/1655247154380783617