I haven't yet used Quarkus, but in my opinion the solution to Spring's problems with startup times isn't to run everything in GraalVM, it's to declare dependenc

I haven't yet used Quarkus, but in my opinion the solution to Spring's problems with startup times isn't to run everything in GraalVM, it's to declare dependencies statically instead of creating a mess of annotations that have to be interpreted at runtime. Kotlin IMHO provides ways of doing that rather elegantly.