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The 68030 does look like a curious choice for a machine launched in 1988. Wikipedia says that they considered the Motorola 88000 but with a source that I've no

The 68030 does look like a curious choice for a machine launched in 1988. Wikipedia says that they considered the Motorola 88000 but with a source that I've not been able to track down.

GlenTheMachine 3y ago
They developed a dual-CPU prototype box based on the 88000, circa 1992. It was never released - the company was bought before it advanced past the prototype stage. They also had a prototype laptop, although I don't know for certain which CPU it was based on. Because the existing battery technology couldn't provide enough juice for reasonable runtime, it was going to be a plug-into-the-wall design.
- hsm3 3y ago
  NeXT wasn't bought until late 1996. That didnt kill the RISC project, what happened is the company dropped all hardware and became software-only (primarily on top of x86 boxes, but some lower-level pieces ran on HP and SPARC).
  - GlenTheMachine 3y ago
    Ah, yes, you are correct. Thanks for jogging my memory.
  - mattl 3y ago
    And spun off their hardware division as Firepower systems and sold it to Canon
- knuckleheadsmif 3y ago
  They gave up on the 88000 the same time Apple did (yes it was considered at Apple too) and is directly related the IBM/Apple PPC partnership and Apple’s insistence that Motorola being a second source for the PPC. It was really Motorola that gave up on the 88000 and not Next.
Maursault 3y ago
> The 68030 does look like a curious choice for a machine launched in 1988. GP is exaggerating. Spark and MIPS were more expensive machines for a different market NeXT wanted a toe in but was merely straddling; business and education were NeXT's target markets. The 68030 with a math coprocessor was bleeding edge in 1988. Sun released a 20MHz and 33MHz 68030 Sun-3x in 1989, a SunOS (UNIX) workstation.[1] Apple released the 68030 Mac SE/30 (16MHz) in Jan. 1989. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the 68030 in 1988/1989. If anything, NeXT was a little fast out of the gate with the 25MHz 68030 in 1988. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-3#Sun-3x https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-3#Sun-3x
chris_j 3y ago
Why was a 68030 a curious choice for a machine launched in 1988?
hulitu 3y ago
68020 could run a distributed network OS (Domain OS/Aegis). What was wrong with 68030 ?
iohead 3y ago
As part of a project code-named "Jaguar", Apple did consider using a Motorola 88K variant as their future RISC-based hardware, but it was short-lived and they moved on to the POWER Architecture. In 1991, Apple, IBM, and Motorola formed the "AIM" alliance with the goal of creating a Common Hardware Reference Platform (CHRP). This led to the PowerPC architecture, which included most of the POWER instructions along with some additions and deletions.

The 68030 does look like a curious choice for a machine launched in 1988. Wikipedia says that they considered the Motorola 88000 but with a source that I've not been able to track down.

GlenTheMachine 3y ago

They developed a dual-CPU prototype box based on the 88000, circa 1992. It was never released - the company was bought before it advanced past the prototype stage. They also had a prototype laptop, although I don't know for certain which CPU it was based on. Because the existing battery technology couldn't provide enough juice for reasonable runtime, it was going to be a plug-into-the-wall design.

hsm3 3y ago
NeXT wasn't bought until late 1996. That didnt kill the RISC project, what happened is the company dropped all hardware and became software-only (primarily on top of x86 boxes, but some lower-level pieces ran on HP and SPARC).
- GlenTheMachine 3y ago
  Ah, yes, you are correct. Thanks for jogging my memory.
- mattl 3y ago
  And spun off their hardware division as Firepower systems and sold it to Canon
knuckleheadsmif 3y ago
They gave up on the 88000 the same time Apple did (yes it was considered at Apple too) and is directly related the IBM/Apple PPC partnership and Apple’s insistence that Motorola being a second source for the PPC. It was really Motorola that gave up on the 88000 and not Next.

Maursault 3y ago

> The 68030 does look like a curious choice for a machine launched in 1988. GP is exaggerating. Spark and MIPS were more expensive machines for a different market NeXT wanted a toe in but was merely straddling; business and education were NeXT's target markets. The 68030 with a math coprocessor was bleeding edge in 1988. Sun released a 20MHz and 33MHz 68030 Sun-3x in 1989, a SunOS (UNIX) workstation.[1] Apple released the 68030 Mac SE/30 (16MHz) in Jan. 1989. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the 68030 in 1988/1989. If anything, NeXT was a little fast out of the gate with the 25MHz 68030 in 1988. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-3#Sun-3x https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-3#Sun-3x

chris_j 3y ago

Why was a 68030 a curious choice for a machine launched in 1988?

hulitu 3y ago

68020 could run a distributed network OS (Domain OS/Aegis). What was wrong with 68030 ?

iohead 3y ago

As part of a project code-named "Jaguar", Apple did consider using a Motorola 88K variant as their future RISC-based hardware, but it was short-lived and they moved on to the POWER Architecture. In 1991, Apple, IBM, and Motorola formed the "AIM" alliance with the goal of creating a Common Hardware Reference Platform (CHRP). This led to the PowerPC architecture, which included most of the POWER instructions along with some additions and deletions.