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75? That's generous. On Kaelon II it's 60.

francisofascii 3y ago
And that episode is what concerns me about euthanasia. On the surface is sounds harmless if some people want to make that decision. But then it becomes so normal to the point that your own family would be upset at you if you didn't go through with it.
- Qem 3y ago
  Example: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/denied-assisted-life-by-hospital-ontario-man-is-offered-death-instead-lawsuit https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/denied-assisted-life-by...
  - fauxpause_ 3y ago
    Not a great example. This guy has a severe neurological illness (although to be clear, I don’t think it’s a mental illness affecting his decision making capabilities). The hospital has said he can stay in the hospital, die, or get care at home. It seems he wants to get care at home at his with the government money spent at his discretion. And they won’t let him do that. So he is suing them for offering death. The hospital care at home might be shit. But that’s tangential to the issue.
- version_five 3y ago
  I think that within a family it would be a way rarer problem. I'm open to being contradicted, but I believe it's a pretty universal cultural norm for younger generations to take care of older family members when they need it, at least until very recently. Coerced (even lightly coerced) euthanasia is a feature I associate more with a welfare state, where the state doesn't have enough money to pay to care for everyone, so incentives begin to creep in to convince them to end their lives when the can't be cared for properly by the state. See the Canada example posted in a sibling comment.
  - xorbax 3y ago
    Not like a welfareless state, where you're lucky to be in a class that gets you that far
  - ChainOfFools 3y ago
    > universal cultural norm for younger generations to take care of older family members when they need it, OP is talking about how the normalization of euthanasia could find snoballing support derived from all sorts of social and economic pressures on the younger generations to reduce the cost burden of the older ones. With the result that once some tipping point has been reached this option becomes an expectation and the cultural norm has changed. > at least until very recently. this acknowledgement rather supports his point, long held cultural norms are far more brittle than we think they are. And the old and weak have no economic muscle to defend themselves against this change.

And that episode is what concerns me about euthanasia. On the surface is sounds harmless if some people want to make that decision. But then it becomes so normal to the point that your own family would be upset at you if you didn't go through with it.

Qem 3y ago
Example: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/denied-assisted-life-by-hospital-ontario-man-is-offered-death-instead-lawsuit https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/denied-assisted-life-by...
- fauxpause_ 3y ago
  Not a great example. This guy has a severe neurological illness (although to be clear, I don’t think it’s a mental illness affecting his decision making capabilities). The hospital has said he can stay in the hospital, die, or get care at home. It seems he wants to get care at home at his with the government money spent at his discretion. And they won’t let him do that. So he is suing them for offering death. The hospital care at home might be shit. But that’s tangential to the issue.
version_five 3y ago
I think that within a family it would be a way rarer problem. I'm open to being contradicted, but I believe it's a pretty universal cultural norm for younger generations to take care of older family members when they need it, at least until very recently. Coerced (even lightly coerced) euthanasia is a feature I associate more with a welfare state, where the state doesn't have enough money to pay to care for everyone, so incentives begin to creep in to convince them to end their lives when the can't be cared for properly by the state. See the Canada example posted in a sibling comment.
- xorbax 3y ago
  Not like a welfareless state, where you're lucky to be in a class that gets you that far
- ChainOfFools 3y ago
  > universal cultural norm for younger generations to take care of older family members when they need it, OP is talking about how the normalization of euthanasia could find snoballing support derived from all sorts of social and economic pressures on the younger generations to reduce the cost burden of the older ones. With the result that once some tipping point has been reached this option becomes an expectation and the cultural norm has changed. > at least until very recently. this acknowledgement rather supports his point, long held cultural norms are far more brittle than we think they are. And the old and weak have no economic muscle to defend themselves against this change.