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Maybe I don't see the relevance of your question then. Software developers are not negotiating fixed price contracts with their project managers every two week

by davemp 3y ago

Maybe I don't see the relevance of your question then. Software developers are not negotiating fixed price contracts with their project managers every two weeks. Just how toxic such a situation would be should be obvious. Managers need to understand the context of the job and determine if they're satisfied with the productivity of their employees. Agile is a development process not a contract pricing strategy. If anything proponents of "Agile" would be more hesitant to quote you a firm fixed price contract than "Waterfall" teams.

emodendroket 3y ago
They don’t have to hire you every two weeks but they are paying for you and do have to decide how to allocate your time and plan various projects with interlocking dependencies. How can they do that without even a rough idea of how many people it takes for how long to accomplish anything? You are, in effect, still asking them to write you a blank check to accomplish something when they might want to change gears if apprised of how difficult it is.
- davemp 3y ago
  > How can they do that without even a rough idea of how many people it takes for how long to accomplish anything? This is not exclusive to scrum.
  - emodendroket 3y ago
    If you go way back up in this thread the reason given for Scrum being bad is it features estimation, which is useless because it's inaccurate, so telling me that systems other than Scrum feature estimation is not a rebuttal.
    - davemp 3y ago
      This is not really a discussion in good faith. > the reason given for Scrum being bad is it features estimation This seems like a strawman and not at all what I was picking up from further up the thread. --- https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
      - emodendroket 3y ago
        Can you tell me how I was supposed to interpret “it is impossible to do good estimation” as a criticism of Scrum, then?

by davemp 3y ago

emodendroket 3y ago

They don’t have to hire you every two weeks but they are paying for you and do have to decide how to allocate your time and plan various projects with interlocking dependencies. How can they do that without even a rough idea of how many people it takes for how long to accomplish anything? You are, in effect, still asking them to write you a blank check to accomplish something when they might want to change gears if apprised of how difficult it is.

davemp 3y ago
> How can they do that without even a rough idea of how many people it takes for how long to accomplish anything? This is not exclusive to scrum.
- emodendroket 3y ago
  If you go way back up in this thread the reason given for Scrum being bad is it features estimation, which is useless because it's inaccurate, so telling me that systems other than Scrum feature estimation is not a rebuttal.
  - davemp 3y ago
    This is not really a discussion in good faith. > the reason given for Scrum being bad is it features estimation This seems like a strawman and not at all what I was picking up from further up the thread. --- https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
    - emodendroket 3y ago
      Can you tell me how I was supposed to interpret “it is impossible to do good estimation” as a criticism of Scrum, then?