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> I have no way to know if that project was actually your idea or if you were just implementing someone else's initiative. I have no idea what the team was like

> I have no way to know if that project was actually your idea or if you were just implementing someone else's initiative. I have no idea what the team was like and what your actual contribution to the project was. The numbers are meaningless without a ton more context. is there anything that isn’t meaningless, then? their idea of knowing X, Y and Z likely differs from yours, as well. what will you believe or trust from a resume? (personally i don’t trust any specific element and just look for an overall tone, and then ask about the specific interesting bits.)

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dumbotron 3y ago
> is there anything that isn’t meaningless, then? Invert a binary tree.
- h4ch1 3y ago
  I wish there was a job board where the interview process only entailed actual context specific take-home tests (think create a real-time analytics board consuming an example internal API), instead of these leetcode games which I can memorize and then spew out like a mindless robot.
  - jasonm23 3y ago
    > Then spew out like a mindless robot. I think you just explained extremely clearly, why hiring managers aren't really into that sort of candidate.
    - h4ch1 3y ago
      What do you mean? Forgive my lack of nuance
  - dumbotron 3y ago
    Once I sunk a day into a take-home test. It went well, and I got to chat with a manager for half an hour. They said they weren't interested with no added context. Setting aside that take-home tests favor people who have time on their hands, the time investment can be very asymmetric, and it doesn't scale for the candidate.
- mikhael28 3y ago
  Pretty sure GPT4 can do that trivially. Think harder.
q7xvh97o2pDhNrh 3y ago
> is there anything that isn’t meaningless, then? Well, now that you mention it... no. But that's just fine. "Meaning" doesn't have to be some big ol' thing. So the whole universe is meaningless; so what? Big whoop. And in this big, empty universe, maybe all that matters is finding something beautiful, something rare, something brilliant and destined for greatness, something like... a candidate who can code a few lines worth of decent code on the spot. The truth is, if you give the candidate a moderately realistic problem and a blank canvas, the first 5 minutes of watching their hands on a keyboard (or equivalent, if they don't have hands) will probably tell you 80% of what you need to know. If you know what to look for.

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dumbotron 3y ago

> is there anything that isn’t meaningless, then? Invert a binary tree.

h4ch1 3y ago
I wish there was a job board where the interview process only entailed actual context specific take-home tests (think create a real-time analytics board consuming an example internal API), instead of these leetcode games which I can memorize and then spew out like a mindless robot.
- jasonm23 3y ago
  > Then spew out like a mindless robot. I think you just explained extremely clearly, why hiring managers aren't really into that sort of candidate.
  - h4ch1 3y ago
    What do you mean? Forgive my lack of nuance
- dumbotron 3y ago
  Once I sunk a day into a take-home test. It went well, and I got to chat with a manager for half an hour. They said they weren't interested with no added context. Setting aside that take-home tests favor people who have time on their hands, the time investment can be very asymmetric, and it doesn't scale for the candidate.
mikhael28 3y ago
Pretty sure GPT4 can do that trivially. Think harder.

q7xvh97o2pDhNrh 3y ago

> is there anything that isn’t meaningless, then? Well, now that you mention it... no. But that's just fine. "Meaning" doesn't have to be some big ol' thing. So the whole universe is meaningless; so what? Big whoop. And in this big, empty universe, maybe all that matters is finding something beautiful, something rare, something brilliant and destined for greatness, something like... a candidate who can code a few lines worth of decent code on the spot. The truth is, if you give the candidate a moderately realistic problem and a blank canvas, the first 5 minutes of watching their hands on a keyboard (or equivalent, if they don't have hands) will probably tell you 80% of what you need to know. If you know what to look for.